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The quote sounded suspiciously like you thought any hinderance to a persons religious worship was torture.
Unless you were being sarcastic.
Unless you were being sarcastic.
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No, he was clearly saying that Cali doesn't believe that the happiness of the prisonners is at all important, so there'd be nothing wrong with torturing them."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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this is the dumbest topic of debate in human history
This thread reminds me of that Seinfeld episode...
Willie: Sir, what, exactly, is the problem?
George: One of your guys - Kip, or Ned, short name - stole my Twix candy bar!
Willie: Are you saying he grabbed the candy bar away from you?
George: He might as well have! I caught him, and his face was covered in chocolate and cookie crumbs.
Willie: I thought you said it was a Twix.
George: Oh, it was. But he claimed it was a 5th Avenue bar.
Willie: Maybe it was.
George: Oh, no, no. Twix is the only candy with the cookie crunch.
Willie: What about the $100,000 bar?
George: No. Rice and caramel.
Willie: Nougat?
George: No.
Willie: Positive?
George: Please.
(A woman appears from behind the window)
Woman: You know they changed the name from $100,000 bar to Hundred Grand?
George: All I want is my seventy-five cents back, an apology, and for him to be fired!
(An old man sitting in a nearby chair speaks up. He’s Willie’s father)
Willie Sr.: I remember when you used to be able to get a Hershey for a nickel.
(The man behind George speaks up)
Man: What’s the one with the swirling chocolate in the commercial?
George: They all have swirling chocolate in the commercial!
Willie Sr.: Not Skittles.
Willie: Dad, I told you you could sit here only if you don’t talk.
Woman: (Sitting behind George) You make your father sit here all day?
Willie: He likes it!
George: Alright! Do you mind? I have the window! (To Willie) Now, what are you gonna do about my Twix?
Man: (In line behind George) Twix has too much coconut.
George: No! There’s no coconut!
Woman: (Behind service window) I’m allergic to coconut.
Willie: I’m not.
Willie Sr.: …A nickel!
George: Twiiiiiiiiix!!!Comment
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Having spent some time in muslim countries, the claim that muslims give a flying **** about there toilet orientation is BS.
Which leads me to believe these guys are whining little pussies.
But as I said in the first post, they didn't say the muslims were being discriminated against or something like that, thus this reponse to the request is not a case of "codling"(sp?) them."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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I don't think anyone was whining. The warden was planning on a refurbishment, and took suggestions for minor changes from the prisonners, including this one. This is not a big deal by any means."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Exactly. There didn't seem to be any 'demand' for action or anything. The warden just wanted to be sympathetic to religious concerns and the Muslims he spoke to said we would appreciate just tilting the toilets and he said ok.Originally posted by Ramo
I don't think anyone was whining. The warden was planning on a refurbishment, and took suggestions for minor changes from the prisonners, including this one. This is not a big deal by any means.
Why is it such a federal case to Cali and Velo? Damned if I know.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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I think it is whining, anytime you make an issue about the direction of your toilet that is pretty much the definition of whining. Though I agree there was not a demand, or a false accusation of wrong doing against anyone, so it is a non issue.
Can't blame the prisoners for asking. Hell, I ask for stuff I don't deserve all the time, and some times I actually get it."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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I'd like to see the results of that poll.Originally posted by Ramo
A toilet rotated in a slightly different direction from the other toilets in the prison is not regarded generally as a frill.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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I don't see what the point is in rejecting the request either. Suppose they get served spaghetti that's always overcooked, and they ask not overcook it, would you refuse the demand because it might make the prisoners happy? The goal of a prison is not to pester prisoners for the sake of it.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Ok, that's enough silliness for one day.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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How has it come to the point that muslims comprise 1/4th of the prisoners in British jails? They're not anywhere near that proportion of the general poulation are they? Surely they're not all terrorists? I thought that muslims were supposed to be hard working, morally upright, abhor drug use and not at all subject to the sorts of proclivities that generally land people in jail."I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!Comment
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assimilation proceedsOriginally posted by Dr Strangelove
How has it come to the point that muslims comprise 1/4th of the prisoners in British jails? They're not anywhere near that proportion of the general poulation are they? Surely they're not all terrorists? I thought that muslims were supposed to be hard working, morally upright, abhor drug use and not at all subject to the sorts of proclivities that generally land people in jail. My guess, is that theyre not nearly either so well integrated as some suggest, nor so deeply pious as some fear. Just another poorly integrated underclass.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I sh** in Mecca's general direction!What?Comment
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It takes two to tango. I'm getting plenty classics out of this too, like the government grants are free comment.
Ahhh...I see that your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning as well. That's cool. This does seem to run counter to your claim tho, that you're just here to laugh at Cali. You sure seem interested in responding to me...
No one has said that it's absolutely pivotal to Muslim beliefs, and no one has said that this alone could trigger violence (what we have been saying is that it is a component to poor morale, which could lead to violence). Again, these are strawmen.
So if it's not pivotal (we agree) and it's trivial (we agree), then why are you still arguing the point? Oh, and for the record....your side brought up the possibility of violence (and toilet orientation as a means of making it less likely)....ergo, my commenting on YOUR argument does not a strawman make. Recommend you familiarize yourself with the definition before slinging the word, 'k?
You realize that the toilets haven't been built yet, right?
We don't even know if there's relevant plumbing in the suggested rooms. We don't know if the rooms exist. We don't know if the plans were made before the suggested rotation of the toilets.
What we do know is what the Home Office spokeswoman told us about the refurbishment's funding.
You realize that buildlings require architectural plans, right? And a change like that one will require a re-evaluation of those plans.....which (let me know if I'm going to fast now), ain't free? And we can pretty well guess that the rooms exist....otherwise, there wouldn't be anything to refurbish...it'd then be...you know...new construction. Those definitions of words are such pesky details, I know!
And that's why it's important to keep them as content as possible. Pissed off violent people are not easy to deal with.
Ahh, so you've changed your mind again, yes? I mean, a moment ago, violence wasn't an issue....now you're bringing the issue up again (with the clear implication being that toilet seat orientation will somehow quell the violent spirit moving among the men. You appear not to really be certain WHAT you are arguing! I understand, believe me, I'm not sure what you're arguing either (or why, really...LOL...but I'll certainly keep egging you on!)
A toilet rotated in a slightly different direction from the other toilets in the prison is not regarded generally as a frill.
This, I quite agree with. Say it out loud to yourself if you can't hear how silly the whole thing is.
Having spent some time in muslim countries, the claim that muslims give a flying **** about there toilet orientation is BS.
I know, right? That's the best part of this circus of the absurd! But nawww man, you got it all wrong...this will help with their spiritual development...
I think it is whining, anytime you make an issue about the direction of your toilet that is pretty much the definition of whining. Though I agree there was not a demand, or a false accusation of wrong doing against anyone, so it is a non issue.
Thumbs up! Most sensible thing said in the whole thread!Comment
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Hang on - if they are such good muslims, what the hell are they doing in prison in the first place? If they are there, they have worse to fear of Allah than pissing in his direction
Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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Provost, you are being insensitive! These people REQUIRE the proper toilet orientation for their spiritual growth!
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(I thought I ought to put the tag down, since last time, the keystone cops didn't realize it.
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