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  • How silly is Iran's claim to an army of 50,000+ suicide bombers?

    During the past days, Iran claimed to have at its disposal an army of 40,000 suicide bombers, obviously created for an asymmetric fight against the west (source later). I have a feeling like this is not only exaggerated, but it is rather even a complete bluff.

    Said claim obviously sparks fears. Everyone knows that the defense forces of Iran are no match for US air attacks, or even Israeli ones. The widely held opinion is also that any military action against Iran would probably be air attacks only and no ground invasion, since Iraq shows how bad an idea that would be. As it seems, the scope of action for Iran to deter the west from attacking is rather limited. The main argument they can employ is terrorism. We're told that an attack on Iran would result in increased violence in Iraq, as well as increased hostilities against Israel on behalf of the Hizbollah. Repeated statements have been made that an army of up to 52,000 (latest number) volunteers are ready to carry out suicide attacks. These claims must seem very powerful against us since terrorist action is what we fear most from conventionally weaker enemies. But how serious are these claims?

    I won't go into the Iran-Hizbollah links, I'll leave this field to others for now. What I'm now concerned with is the now created image in our heads of massive Iranian support for terrorist action in Iraq. This aspect brings up some questions, some concerning direct support, others indirect one:

    1. How many suicide bombers so far have been citizens of Iran?
    2. How capable is Iran of raising thousands and thousands of suicide bombers among its own population (maybe also: how willing to sacrifice its own population)?
    3. Of 50,000+ volunteers signing papers or appearing in suicide bombing dresses at military parades, how many are really willing to carry out such a mission? Is it reasonable to assume that any Muslim would be willing to carry out a suicide attack mission?
    4. As far as support for groups in Iraq is concerned, how capable - economicly and logistically - is Iran to support terrorist groups inside Iraq, how willing politically? Wouldn't they lose all international support if they answered a limited conventional attack on them with terrorism against a civilian population of a different country, and a Muslim one at that?

    I'm curious about the answer to 1. Questions 2 and 3 go together pretty well, and the answer is probably this: it's all a big bluff. They dressed up some folks in funny uniforms and made them sign some volunteer papers. But the mentality behind a suicide attack is not something you can import from one day to the next and convince your own people about. Those who do it in Israel and Iraq are mostly trained by certain fanatic groups who belong to weird branches of Islam religiously. Also, the population of Iran isn't as desperate as that of the West Bank. Q4 is interesting, but not to the core point of this thread.

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    Maybe the entire army is made of suicide bombers.
    Blah

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    • #3
      I could see them having 40-50K suicide bombers signed up. Not sure if all of them would go through with it when the time came, but I could see there being that many people signing up world wide.

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      • #4
        I think the sign-up campaign was a media thing that was done Tehran-wide

        Bomb Iran now just to show them we can't be fooled.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ecthy
          I think the sign-up campaign was a media thing that was done Tehran-wide
          Tehran-wide?

          They claim "at their disposal" which to me would most likely include muslims in foreign nations like where they had the sign up at the British Embassy. What would be the point of unleashing suicide bombers on Tehran?

          Stand back! Or we shall blow up our capital!

          EDIT: Kinda reminds me of how Trip plays Civ3.

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          • #6
            They made Tehran population sign up for missions abroad.

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            • #7
              Well, as a serious reply, what about those "revolutionary guards" types? How many are they, and how fanatical supportive towards the regime?

              I read that during the war against Iraq these were used in large scale "human wave" attacks (although not terrorist attacks), which were practically suicide for many of them too . Of course, that was in the 80ies......
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ecthy
                They made Tehran population sign up for missions abroad.
                So kinda like Mormons?

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                • #9
                  Perhaps the soldiers didn't know it, but the whole of Iran's army was a suicide squad in the Iran-Iraq war. Similar for the Brits, French, and Germans during WWI.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    Please leave this kind of reply in Pekka threads.

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                    • #11
                      As far as support for groups in Iraq is concerned, how capable - economicly and logistically - is Iran to support terrorist groups inside Iraq, how willing politically?
                      It has absolutely no reason to do so. The current Iraqi gov't is closely allied with Iran, both practically and ideologically (though probably closer to Hakim than Jaafari). Iran's interests are tied to a stable Iraq.
                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                      -Bokonon

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                      • #12
                        40 - 50 K...
                        Where are they going to find all the needed virgins in heaven?
                        Keep on Civin'
                        RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                        • #13
                          Ming stop spamming my thread

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                          • #14
                            Perhaps it is not wise for Iran to announce to the world that they plan on breaching the Geneva Conventions, as I doubt their suicide bombers will be wearing clearly visible Iranian uniforms and insignia.

                            But as has been said, most of Iran's military is in fact defacto suicide types anyways in case of war with the West.

                            I don't get the whole suicide bomber thing, obviously Allah would want you to fight as much as possible. Basically all you are telling God is that your lazy and can't be bothered to prosecute a campaign. What good are you doing God and your fellow muslims on the ground screwing revirginified virgins all day long?
                            "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ramo
                              It has absolutely no reason to do so. The current Iraqi gov't is closely allied with Iran, both practically and ideologically (though probably closer to Hakim than Jaafari). Iran's interests are tied to a stable Iraq.
                              In this case, all terror threats evaporate into nothing.

                              Fire away Georgie.

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