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I have a silly question
Why not give back Gaza to egypt, the golan heights to syria and the bank to Jordan? and so the palestinians from gaza become egyptians, those from the wbank jordanians and the people from the golan heights syrians.
Aint that easier than creating a palestinian state?
Of course, before giving back those lands those countries should sign some deal and say the accept israel blah blah etcI need a foot massage
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Jordan doesn't like the Palestinians since the Pals tried to kill the Jordanian king.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Israel doesn;t want responsibility for the Palestinians-it ruins their dream of a state both Jewish and democratic. Of course, I doubt they have a clue as to how to really do either a trully democratic state based on ehtnic identity, or how to divorce themsleves from the Palestinians without becoming resoonsible for a humanitarian crisis.
Oh well. Too bad for everyone between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
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I honestly truly believe that the Palestinians bare 90%+ the blame for any continuing conflict since they are the ones who rejected a perfectedly good final peace deal in 1999 and who continue to endorse terror. I do have serious problems with a society who demands the protections of the Genveva Convention yet continually and deliberately subverts it to conduct deliberate bombings of civilians.
The real solution won't occur unless all of one side gets killed or forced out. I personally would not cry for the Palestinians if it was them because they've earned it. Is that rational? No, but it is how I feel at this time. The Palestinians already make up the majority in Jordan so the rest of the population should simply be forced to move there and they can build there state in the current defacto Palestine.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Perfectly good final peace deal?! A deal that splits your country into 4 enclaves with 3 enclaves (in the West Bank) fully enclosed by the other side is NOT a perfectly good final peace deal!Last edited by Imran Siddiqui; April 17, 2006, 23:55.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Most of the Palestinians are refugees, whose land was confiscated by Israel. You can't solve the crisis until you deal fairly with that.
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Looking back on this time from the future, Hamas getting elected may be the best thing for any true peace process, even though it seems dicey now. You, after all, are now forced to deal with this group, whereas before you didn't."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis
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Excuses are like @ssholes - everyone's got one.
No matter what happens and no matter what one side does, one can always point at something the other side did and argue that this is the real reason and this is the real problem, etc. So, when an Israeli missile attack kills people in Gaza, we are told that it's the PA's fault for not stopping terrorism - and when a Palestinean youth blows himself and 13 others to pieces on a bus somewhere inside an Israeli city, we are told that it's really Israel's fault for not ending the occupation and "oppressive policies" against the Palestineans, etc, etc...
How convenient, eh?
The problem is that it's not very rational and also not very productive. First of all, we all have to take responsibility for our own actions, no matter what anybody else does. Sure, if someone blows up a bus in my hometown and my little daughter is injured or even killed, I have a right to be upset, I have a right to take reasonable action to prevent further attacks and I have a right to seek to have those responsible brought to justice. But if I respond by firing missiles at my neighbors and those missiles hit something they shouldn't have, then I still have to take responsibility for that because no matter what anyone else did and no matter what I meant to hit, I was the one who fired the missiles. If I refuse to accept this responsibility, then I am not only being irrational and unreasonable, but I am also denying myself access to any form of peaceful settlement to my problems because peace can only exist between responsible partners and any party that refuses to take responsibility for its' own actions is clearly… ummm… not responsible!
That said, I must concede that we do have a real problem with Hamas and their handling of this latest attack.
You may claim self defense when an enemy is invading your home and threatening you and your loved ones, but NOT when you're blowing up civilians who are not threatening anyone at the moment.
Any government who claims otherwise is also clearly not responsible!"Politics is to say you are going to do one thing while you're actually planning to do someting else - and then you do neither."
-- Saddam Hussein
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Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Wait, if the Palestinians are now some sort of quasi-independant nation/state, wouldn't Israel's recent attacks/strikes against targets in Palestinian lands constitute acts of war? Must be since Hamas voicing support for the actions of other groups constitutes an "act of war" against Israel. So technically, Israel already declared war. So how's about stfu before KH school's you some more?He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!
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Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
I have a silly question
Why not give back Gaza to egypt, the golan heights to syria and the bank to Jordan? and so the palestinians from gaza become egyptians, those from the wbank jordanians and the people from the golan heights syrians.
Aint that easier than creating a palestinian state?
Of course, before giving back those lands those countries should sign some deal and say the accept israel blah blah etc
I have addressed the history of the "Jordan option" before on this forum."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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