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High college reputation helps you get a better first job out of college. The further away from college you get, the less the reputation of that college helps you. Now, it is my past work record that is the most important thing.
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“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
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Rufus, it sounds like your daughter and I are in very similar situations. I want a small, high-calibre liberal arts college, Brown and Wesleyan were definitely places I really wanted to go to (Brown was too competitive, and I already had enough 'maybe schools' so I didn't apply to Wesleyan), and the schools I applied to are very similar to those two. But do you think it's worth it? If she were to go to Michigan State, I bet she could go there for free, and if she wanted a small private school, she could go to an uncompetitive one and go there for pretty cheap as well.
Well, when I finished that paragraph and checked my mail, I realized I just got into Williams, the most competitive liberal arts school in the country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM SO F$CKING EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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Jesus...
Costs for 2006-2007 Academic Year
Tuition
$33,478
Fees 222
Room 4,540
Board 4,410
TOTAL $42,650
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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My alma mater, Trinity College, has fees like that too. Absolutely insane... and Trin is good but far from great.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Williams is also the top liberal arts school in the country, I don't care if it is a lot of money right now."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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My father made me an offer many years ago:
1. Go to Trinity
2. Go to UCONN, and have the difference in cost between the two deposited into my bank account. This was a LOT of money... something like $15-20k/year.
I went with option 1. From a strictly monetary standpoint, it was probably a mistake. But I made great friends at Trin, including my wife, and had a great time (perhaps a little too much fun, actually).
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Average SAT: 1421
SAT - Verbal Range (25-75%): 670-770
SAT - Math Range (25-75%): 670-760
TPR Projected Range SAT Writing: 670-740
Average Verbal SAT: 714
Average Math SAT: 707
ACT Composite Range (25-75%): 29-33
Average ACT: 32
Students in top 10% of HS class: 87%
Students in top 50% of HS class: 99%
Students from Public School: 55%
Total applicants who are accepted: 19%
Total of accepted students who enroll: 49%
from www.princetonreview.com"The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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uni is all about getting pissed, taking drugs and knobbing birds.
therefore my expert advice is to get in somewhere half-decent, and just have a great time.
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de BottonComment
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Congratulations!
But wait...
What's the percentage of graduates that find $60,000+/year starting positions waiting for them? Given the cost, that's one of the many questions you need to figure out.Originally posted by johncmcleod
Average SAT: 1421
SAT - Verbal Range (25-75%): 670-770
SAT - Math Range (25-75%): 670-760
TPR Projected Range SAT Writing: 670-740
Average Verbal SAT: 714
Average Math SAT: 707
ACT Composite Range (25-75%): 29-33
Average ACT: 32
Students in top 10% of HS class: 87%
Students in top 50% of HS class: 99%
Students from Public School: 55%
Total applicants who are accepted: 19%
Total of accepted students who enroll: 49%
from www.princetonreview.com
Another is what percentage of graduates have their (grand)parents footing the bill, viz the percentage taking out $30,000+ in student debt/year? And where do you fall in that category?
If you're getting scholarships, but can pay 100% for a "less competitive" college, then are you not taking scholarship money away from a more deserving student with a more disadvantageous background, for no added benefit to you other than bragging rights about going to a "more competitive" college?Last edited by JohnT; April 3, 2006, 17:37.Comment
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Well, I don't have any scholarships at the moment, and maybe I'll be screwed financially in the future. But as far as median income for recent graduates, I know it is very high. I remember seeing stats on it, and I can't find them now, but they're high.
But for Christ's sake, how can you put a price on education? College is now going to be the best four years of my life, I'm going to learn a helluva lot, and I am going to work hard and get into a good grad school. Hopefully by the end of the process I'll be a genius.
Edit: why are my post's in red and italics? I haven't been to poly in a long time, so it is probably some feature added a while ago.Last edited by johncmcleod; April 3, 2006, 17:59."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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and this a liberal arts degree? from a college no one has ever heard of?
yeah right
oh, and schooling is NOT education... they put a price on schooling, education, as you state, IS pricelessComment
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Average people haven't heard of Williams, so I won't impress them, but the academic community knows about Williams, so I will have major advantages in going to grad school and getting jobs."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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If you're going to go to a school costing that much, be sure you study something that has a big financial payoff upon graduation, or else when you graduate you will be in a world of pain."I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer
"I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - SlowwhandComment
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Maybe not right after graduation, but hopefully later. But from what I've heard, the academic community has ways of taking care of the financial woes of some of its incoming members."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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