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  • #46
    Originally posted by Az
    Btw, MFs, I am back in the army.
    Keep your head down and your gun up.
    (Over here that has a slightly naughty second meaning )
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Eli
      Nah. I think that ever during the busy years of the Intifada immigration still outnumbered emmigration, not by much though. Now things are getting better. Sofer's main assumption is that immigration will dry up and I'm not sure this will happen with all the Muslim mess in Europe.

      For example, here in Ashdod, for the last two years you get to hear French almost every day. And that is a new development.

      Anyway, I agree that there is a demographic danger. I only hope that immigration will delay it enough for our government to start improving living conditions in Arab cities in the hope to bring a drop to their birth rates.
      I would expect that once the Palestinian issue calms down (one can always hope) then more Jews will immigrate.
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      • #48
        How's home front command doing?
        Dude, that base is the most raggedy-ass assortment of shacks and mandatory-age buildings ever. I have a desk and pc, though.

        the rear echelon is doing fine over here. How are your parts?

        I would expect that once the Palestinian issue calms down (one can always hope) then more Jews will immigrate.

        yeah, with Hamas we really can see things calming down soon.
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #49
          I head on the BBC last night that some Jews who emegrated from the former USSR don't like Peretz because his moustache reminds them of Stalin.

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          • #50
            Just tell them Olmert looks like Beria.
            "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
            "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Odin
              I head on the BBC last night that some Jews who emegrated from the former USSR don't like Peretz because his moustache reminds them of Stalin.
              people who emigrated from the USSR are morons. And you can quote me on that.
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #52
                You'd like to be back at the Caucasus? It's not a pretty place at the moment.

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                • #53
                  The little Gruzin likes Soviet Russia more than the west.

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                  • #54
                    You'd like to be back at the Caucasus? It's not a pretty place at the moment.


                    no, you dolts. That's not the reason. I just laugh at my fellow immigrants' general silliness when voting.
                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Az


                      people who emigrated from the USSR are morons. And you can quote me on that.
                      I presume this sentiment may be linked to the Avigdor Lieberman phenomenon.

                      If Likud ends up the 4th largest party in the Knesset, does Bibi finally pursue another line of work?

                      The real fight now - Uncle Joe vs the unprincipled centrists. The stakes - how much the unprincipled centrists will have to give Uncle Joe for his support in the coalition.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by VetLegion
                        Are Arab parties voted in by the same criteria as the Israeli parties?

                        What I mean is: are there reduced requirements for Arabs to gain seats? Or some other similar arrangement engineered so that there's a token Arab presence in the parliament? Or are they competing equal to other parties?

                        For example, here minorities have a guaranteed number of seats in the parliament.
                        Israel has Proportional Representation, so its easy for a minority voting as a block to get representation in proportion to its numbers.

                        The more interesting question is the representation of Arabs on lists of non-Arab parties. Historically Labour had an affiliated Arab list, and IIRC it won more seats than "arab" parties. In recent years the arab voted shifted to arab parties, and Labour doesnt bother with its "arab list" anymore, but (IIUC) has included a couple of arabs in electable places in its own list. OTOH with the defection of some Labourites to more left Meretz-Yachad, im not sure if that is still the case, or if those Arabs looking to vote for a non-Arab party have gone over to Meretz. I would also note that Likud had an Arab MK as well - a Druze, a member of a minority religious group that was historically persecuted by Sunni Muslims, and who are supportive of the State of Israel. Im not sure what became of him in the Likud-Kadima split.
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                        • #57
                          A Dahaf Institute poll published in the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot showed Kadima lost two seats, dropping to 34; Labor remained steady at 21; and Likud dropped one to 13. The survey of 1,115 eligible voters had an error margin of 3 percentage points.

                          A Smith Institute poll published in the English-language daily The Jerusalem Post had Kadima pulling in 33-34 seats, Labor 20-21 and Likud 15. The poll had an error margin of 4.5 percentage points.
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                          • #58

                            I presume this sentiment may be linked to the Avigdor Lieberman phenomenon.


                            It's a great example, but I was alluding to the insane voting patterns, generally.


                            The real fight now - Uncle Joe vs the unprincipled centrists. The stakes - how much the unprincipled centrists will have to give Uncle Joe for his support in the coalition.


                            uncle Joe > *.

                            sadly, though I have a feeling that the "unprincipled centrists" will turn to have "principles" just in the areas Peretz and the current labor line up hold dear - economics. Even though they are corrupt bastards, they never forget who's lapdogs they are.
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Az

                              I presume this sentiment may be linked to the Avigdor Lieberman phenomenon.


                              It's a great example, but I was alluding to the insane voting patterns, generally.


                              The real fight now - Uncle Joe vs the unprincipled centrists. The stakes - how much the unprincipled centrists will have to give Uncle Joe for his support in the coalition.


                              uncle Joe > *.

                              sadly, though I have a feeling that the "unprincipled centrists" will turn to have "principles" just in the areas Peretz and the current labor line up hold dear - economics. Even though they are corrupt bastards, they never forget who's lapdogs they are.

                              its the past all over again.


                              Kadima is Mapai. Biggest party, centrist, security focused, willing to deal to stay in power.

                              Labour is Mapam - focused on "left" economics.


                              Likud is, I suppose, the General Liberals. Small, right wing on security, and more so on economics.

                              NU/Mafdal is Herut. Enough said.

                              Shas/OTJ are, ironically, Mafdal. Concerned about religion, willing to deal on everything else, ideal coalition partners.
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                              • #60
                                I still like the "unprincipled centrists" I think Olmert's been clarifying the Kadima stance on security.

                                As for scandals, its kinda hard for a galutnik to get excited about petty bribery over there. And the complaints are rich, coming from Avodah.
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