Watching Topless Woman Bathe is required for potential immigrants to the Netherlands

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by aneeshm
But it has been shown that terrorists come from the middle classes far more than the poor . Why is it that in Africa , poverty did not breed terrorism ?

Cite?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Az

I don't really think that's a "carrot," but rather giving them things, so they will have second thoughts about losing them.

Dude, what I am talking about is that at many times, fundy religionists can thrive and not let their evil social structure break down.

You mean like a cult? Well it is still hard to maintain a different social structure than the country you live in, simply because most people rely on said country's infrastructure.

Originally posted by Az
You have to enforce freedom, and it's not a contradiction. What I am talking about is that children raised in such structures are being brainwashed into particular ways of thinking.

Well unless they have their own schools, radios, newspapers, TV stations, etc. It seems like an impossible thing to do to keep the next generation from contacting the outside society.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Sikander
Why don't you take them in China? Oh yea, because they can contribute nothing to your country but an extra security risk.

There are more Muslims in China than in the USA in all likelihood. So perhaps you should ask President Bush to accept more of them.

[Az]

Cite?

http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~aabadie/povterr.pdf

I think this is a well-known fact. It's either middle-class, or in some cases, young people, child soldiers, if you will, from the poor.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Az

Cite?

http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~aabadie/povterr.pdf

I think this is a well-known fact. It's either middle-class, or in some cases, young people, child soldiers, if you will, from the poor.

I wouldn't say it is a fact. At most an alternate attempt in explaining things.

[Locutus]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
I just dont think that insisting on viewing topless bathers is a refined way to do that - it will toss out alot of people who might by copacetic with the existence of topless beaches, but who cant look at a pic of a topless beach without violating their beliefs.

But the problem is that topless in the Netherlands is not confined to designated topless beaches. Anywhere near water, topless is pretty much a given, you'd be hard-pressed to find beaches, swimming pools, etc without topless women. But you might in theory encounter them anywhere: on the street, in parks, in residential areas, on public television... it won't happen every day but it's pretty hard to avoid if you live here long enough. So if you have a fundamental problem with toplessness for whatever reason, you're really living in the wrong country if you live in the Netherlands.

That said, I agree with Mercator, this policy s*cks donkyballs, as does our entire administration and most of all that fascist b*tch of an immigration minister. Something 80% of the existing Dutch people (don't remember the exact percentage but it was *very* high) wouldn't pass the tests that immigrants are expected to pass.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by aneeshm
But it has been shown that terrorists come from the middle classes far more than the poor . Why is it that in Africa , poverty did not breed terrorism ?

In Africa, armed movements breed far, far worse things.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Spiffor

In Africa, armed movements breed far, far worse things.

Oh please . . . . . it's not like anything bad ever happened in Rwanda for example.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Az

Cite?

http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~aabadie/povterr.pdf

I think this is a well-known fact. It's either middle-class, or in some cases, young people, child soldiers, if you will, from the poor.

Okay, I skimmed through the file.

I noticed that it uses GDP per capita to calculate income. This is very bad. The average income does not begin to show you the true picture unless it is a strongly socialist country. In these third world countries income is skewed, there are a few very rich people with a massive underclass that is dirt poor.

We need to look at the median income, or better yet, both the median and the mode, to start getting a true picture.

[Pekka]

Brilliant!

According to some people, you shouldn't even be able to ask any questions from immigrants, because they're afraid it's racism. These people should be killed brutally, because they're too stupid to live and consume the same oxygen with the rest of us.

This doesn't mean a certain group of people are blocked, this means that bigots will see they might not fit into the society in Netherlands. Yes, you can prolly go into closed community somewhere where you don't even have to speak Dutch, where you can blame the government for everything, including your lack of Dutch skills, teach your kids only your own original language and make sure they never have the resources to integrate and success in the new society.

You know, you can do that. But the bottom line is, you can always lie in these interviews or what ever, and if you can't sit tight for few seconds to get through it, I guess that person is just too much of a bigot to fit into the more liberal and relaxed atmosphere. Why is that person still trying to come in? They obviously disagree with the ways of the country? Why don't they go somewhere they like? Immigrants, not refugees...

Country has a right to choice who they let in. Period. The rest of it is crying and irrelevant.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


I wouldn't say it is a fact. At most an alternate attempt in explaining things.

"Alternate attempt"? It's the reigning paradigm, ferchrissakes!

[Ninot]

I don't know if this can be emphasized enough

topless women bathing

[monolith94]

Man, you've got to love the irony of center-rightists using liberal images to keep out them "durn furriners".

[Gibsie]

They showed footage of the topless woman clip on the channel 4 news this evening- at 7p.m.! It's like we in England don't consider nipples to be inherently sinful, or something...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Pekka
This doesn't mean a certain group of people are blocked, this means that bigots will see they might not fit into the society in Netherlands. Yes, you can prolly go into closed community somewhere where you don't even have to speak Dutch, where you can blame the government for everything, including your lack of Dutch skills, teach your kids only your own original language and make sure they never have the resources to integrate and success in the new society.

WTH does not wanting to look at a naked women or not wanting your kids to learn have to do with being a bigot?

Oh, and I'm now breathing your oxygen. HA!