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  • taking the gloves off

    I was thinking...

    about the war in Iraq... should the US maybe take it to the next level? I'm not talking about civilians or nukes or anything... no no no... but I had an idea that was inspired by the latest hostage that was killed.

    What if there was a program, a top secret one obviously, where the US let the insurgent forces take single hostages... not a lot... but say, train a guy to be taken hostage. Give him an alternate identity... like a reporter, photographer, or missionary/aid worker... and then implant him with a tracking device... somewhere in his body. I'm sure that such devices exist.

    Let him be taken hostage. And quite possibly, let it be assumed that he won't survive. For the purpose of this program, the sacrifice will be necessary. But as he is taken hostage, the tracking device lets US forces know where the insurgents are. This way, the US can mount an assault, or just bomb the building and destroy it, killing all the insurgents.

    And then, let them take another hostage... and repeat...

    Sure, this is a tough idea because it involves sending someone to be sacrificed. But let's think about this, they are taking hostages and killing them anyways. This way, we can send a sleeper in there, know their location, and take them out... possibly even capture some.

    Eventually, the US kills enough of them that the insurgents are weakened... or they stop taking hostages.

    I dunno... I doubt the US has the stomach for an operation like this... but in a war where thousands of US soldiers, many more thousands of civilians have died... what is a single life compared to how many can be saved if it brings an end to the violence?

    I don't have a problem with this morally... but would such an operation be capable of working?

    The insurgents, terrorists, whatever you want to call them, I think they firmly believe that America doesn't have the cajones to see this through... they can't stomach casualties. I mean, Americans aren't willing to blow themselves up for the cause... so how can the US hope to win? Maybe an operation like this will have an effect on the morale of the insurgents, as well as Al Qaeda and Islamic fundies in general. If they see Americans willing to be taken hostage and willing to sacrifice themselves to kill insurgents like this... I think it would definitely have a crushing effect on their psyche. It seems to me, they pride themselves as being tougher because they are willing to die and sacrifice themselves by blowing themselves up in order to kill people (suicide bombers). Well, this isn't quite the same as that, but in essence, maybe it is.

    anyways... thoughts?
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    Eventually, the US kills enough of them that the insurgents are weakened... or they stop taking hostages.




    Your method sucks donkey balls. At best it will only achieve a 3 or 4 to 1 kill ratio.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by KrazyHorse
      Eventually, the US kills enough of them that the insurgents are weakened... or they stop taking hostages.




      Your method sucks donkey balls. At best it will only achieve a 3 or 4 to 1 kill ratio.
      Well...

      I don't know about the kill ratio... I like how you pulled that number out of your ass though.

      If the one "hostage" is able to give the intel of the location of the insurgents' base... then the US assault team can take all of them out. Or capture some of them and maybe get intel on more insurgent activities.

      How did you arrive at this 3 or 4 to 1 ratio?

      Plus, what about the effect on the enemy morale? Isn't that worth something? And how about if they stop taking civilians hostage? What is that worth?
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      • #4
        If the one "hostage" is able to give the intel of the location of the insurgents' base


        What the **** makes you think that they will be stupid enough to take hostages to a "base" containing like 30 or 40 people?

        Most of the hostages are held and guarded by 2 or 3 gunmen in an isolated location/house. They're not shuttled off to some giant terrorist nexus.
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
        Ultima Ratio Regum

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        • #5
          The problem with the US now is that they both don't have any world opinion wind to use more heavy-handed tactics, and don't have the troops on the ground to work softer.

          Either pay the price globally, or bring in more troops. In any case, you owe these people to come up with the stuff you promised - liberating them.
          urgh.NSFW

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          • #6
            And my knowledge of the tactics employed in detaining hostages is based on published news reports of survivors' accounts. What is your hazy speculation of a supersecret hostage-holding/giant terrorist lair based on?
            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
            Ultima Ratio Regum

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            • #7


              lol separated at birth LOL
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              • #8
                Did I say they would be taken to ayman al zawahiri's bachelor pad where they would kick it with the all the homeys?

                no

                but still, nobody can get to these guys, and maybe carrying out just one of these operations would be worth something...

                who knows, you capture ONE GUY and he could cough up something that leads you to something else... and you get lucky

                who cares about kill ratios?

                Vietnam, how many more people did the US kill, and America still lost.

                This war isn't going to be won by just kill ratios and numbers.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by joncha


                  lol separated at birth LOL
                  lol LOL
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                  • #10
                    I don't think that's a good idea.
                    In da butt.
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                    • #11


                      actually, this Hernandez guy looks much more like this guy, also an Israeli politician ( and *******) : Azmi Beshara.

                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #12
                        OMFG the Knesset is filled with ****ing Keith Hernandez impersonators.

                        No wonder things suck so bad over there. That and crazy mother****ers trying to blow everything up.
                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
                        Ultima Ratio Regum

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                        • #13
                          well, the whole war was a ****ty idea

                          I'm not a soldier. I have no military experience. I just had this idea, and figured, what the heck.

                          Enough innocent people are being killed. Enough soldiers are being killed. Maybe this is something worth thinking about, maybe not. But if it's possible that something like this could be beneficial in some way, I think it should be looked into.
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #14
                            Erm, why not just mass-produce RFID's or somesuch and give them to every foreign soldier and civilian working for/with any of the coalition governments and make arrangements for news services to provide them to their journalists? The chances of a single military plant being taken hostage aren't remotely as good as any given civie worker's.
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                            • #15
                              RFIDs have very low power can only be detected in close proximity.

                              A drawback of this is the gunmen will learn to hack off the arms (etc.) of hostages where you can implant RFID. Or they can do detection on their own - not exactly difficult.
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