Men Want Say in Unplanned Pregnancy!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Apocalypse

Good job ignoring me, but ok.

Since you made an incomplete statement out of my quote rending it devoid of meaning, I was left to have to interpert what the hell you meant.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by notyoueither
Missing, or ignoring the point about a choice after the act, again.

It's pretty simple. Men should be given a choice early in the pregnancy over whether they want to be fathers or not.

Society, correctly, has decided that your time to make a choice is before you stick it in. Since everyone is away of this, if you then chose to stick it in, you have made your choice.

So then you too would be fine with sweeping restrictions on abortion?

[Dinner]

A man's choice ends as soon as he blows his wade inside her. If you don't want her to get pregnant then don't have sex or at least use protection. If you do and an accident still happens (though this is virtually impossible if protection is properly used) then you're on the hook even if you later decide you don't want to have a child. Once a child is born then you are the father and you must pay for the child.

If you don't like it or can't handle it then don't have sex or at least have sex only with women who have the same views you do (I.E. who don't want kids right now).

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Since you made an incomplete statement out of my quote rending it devoid of meaning, I was left to have to interpert what the hell you meant.

Alright then, why else are people here but to procreate? There are no other clear functions really.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Az

Why should I (or society in general) have to pay for your kid, Az?

Please, Dino, I BEG YOU, drag the discussion to this field so I can rest debating this with you, and let the other lefties take care of you and pwn your ass.

Well I'm just curious why a man's right to abandon his kids should outweigh society's interest in making sure that children get support from all of his/her parents?

[Az]

I really hate all of those "current state of things" posts so many people seem to be doing lately. We already know that, but thanks, anyway.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Apocalypse

What if you don't choose to stick it in but it still happens?

Then you pull it out and dry it off, and slapp a raincoat on. If you are unfortunate enough to have prematurely ejaculated (it happens to everyone), then I think you have a fair claim to not want to be responsible.

However, as LotM so adequately pointed out, your responsibility is to your offspring, regardless of whether or not you wanted it. You'd have to claim (correctly) that it was non-consensual sex, meaning you are accusing the woman of rape, have her parental rights severed as an unfit parent, then put the kid up for adoption. Good luck with that.

[GePap]

I am still mystified by the notion that men don;t have a choice in this matter:

Choices for men:

Birth control
Surgery
Abstention

Choices for women

Birth control
Surgery
Abstention

Abortion
Adoption

Why do women get the two extra choices?

BECAUSE WOMEN GET PREGNANT AND MEN DON'T.

It remains THAT SIMPLE. If men want those two choices, then men better start figuring out a way to gestate fetuses inside their bodies. Otherwise, it is absurd to think you can legislate "equality" where biology has created an absolute difference.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

no i am not prolife
I dont believe in abortion as a form of birth control either.

i have said the say and the choice should be made by a man before sex has occured.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
So then you too would be fine with sweeping restrictions on abortion?

Abortion, as LotM pointed out, is about the right to control one's own body, not about whether or not you wish to be a parent. Yours is a false argument.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
no i am not prolife
I dont believe in abortion as a form of birth control either.

i have said the say and the choice should be made by a man before sex has occured.

Why just men?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Abortion, as LotM pointed out, is about the right to control one's own body, not about whether or not you wish to be a parent. Yours is a false argument.

Berserker/

Controlling the fruits of my labour is controlling my body.

/Berserker

[notyoueither]

Why should a man be forced to pay for a child he did not want, and never wanted?

Why do women get ample choices to correct a mistake they make, but men get none?

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Then you pull it out and dry it off, and slapp a raincoat on. If you are unfortunate enough to have prematurely ejaculated (it happens to everyone), then I think you have a fair claim to not want to be responsible.

However, as LotM so adequately pointed out, your responsibility is to your offspring, regardless of whether or not you wanted it. You'd have to claim (correctly) that it was non-consensual sex, meaning you are accusing the woman of rape, have her parental rights severed as an unfit parent, then put the kid up for adoption. Good luck with that.

Yeah, I was refering to rape and unfortunantly it's really hard for guys to stick that on women.

[notyoueither]

It boils down to Dads are not fathers, they are wallets. A modern version of slavery to the interests of the state and the whim of women they have known.