Men Want Say in Unplanned Pregnancy!

[GePap]

Originally posted by Az
but doesn't the government still spend a lot on healthcare, besides the private spending?

Yes, showing you just how inefficient our system in the US is.

Healthcare is subsidized federally for the poor and those over 62 or 65, I don't remmber which. Many states subsidize anyone under 19 (NYS does). Anyone else has to figure it out themselves.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

For the sake of argument, I do believe the man here had a choice. The man in question chose to believe this woman couldnt get pregnant. With that being said he had another cboice, To not wear a condom. It is the mans sole choice to cover his own ass when sex and pregnancy can occur. For a man to say well she said is bullsh1T all in all it is his responsiblity to cover his ass at the time of the sexual encounter.
Next topic, if the man doesnt want anything to do with said child after birth also a choice. Being finacial responsible for a kid he didnt want is an obligation he has chose to under take by not following rule number which is always cover your ass.
Last thing, this point bout the mans portion of his salary, the woman uses her whole salary to support said child. To request said father of child to not owe a dam thing to unwanted child is utter crap, and i say this because the man failed to follow rule number one.

[Fake Boris]

I suggest we reverse the situation, and let a woman hand the man the entire responsibility and care of a born child, if it appears that he is to blame for the unplanned conception.

[Dr Strangelove]

You know, in order to fully evaluate this case we need to know something about her claim that she had previously been told that she was unable to conceive. Was she told that she absolutely could not conceive, ro was she told that there was a good chance that she would never conceive? There is a difference.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
It's very simple, before you have sex, sign a contract that absovles the man of financial responsibility should the woman get pregnant despite his best efforts to avoid pregnancy. Otherwise it will only ecourage greater sexual irresponsibility by men who don't have to worry about taking care of the cost of their children by simply declaring at birth, "No."

I don't see how your plan will work as intended. Absolving the man of financial responsibility is only going to encourage greater irresponsibility.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Az

Women are left with the consequences regardless. If men simply run away, than they are being held less responsible than the woman is on the issue. Che is advocating that men be made to deal with the consequences just as the woman has to, so that they are both responsible.

Yes, you're correct. However, with abortion, women are also made less responsible than men.

Abortion doesn't make the women less responsible as men. It only puts them on equal footing in this regard.

However, I reckon the issue isn't about whether the woman can have an abortion. Rather, is it about whether the man can walk away without any responsibility given that the woman wants to keep the baby.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


I don't see how your plan will work as intended. Absolving the man of financial responsibility is only going to encourage greater irresponsibility.

Isnt that the whole idea around this guys plea???
Forgive me i was dumb enough to not cover my ass(I didnt take the time to wear a condem) now i want to plead the fith and pretend this didnt happen. Oh Bo HOo for the dumb man who doenst take the precautions.

[Az]

Mrs.T: this is just ridiculous - he was lied to, and it's his fault? all of the "rule number one - cover your ass" argument you're having is ridiculous. So just because he's a guy, he should be paranoid about people lying to him, and even more, it should be perfectly ok to lie to him, and he will still face the consequences?

I never do it without a condom on ( or generally, don't do it at all, as it goes lately, ), due to fear of STDs, but this sounds like a complete hogwash - the guy is kept responsible even as the girl deceives him?!

Abortion doesn't make the women less responsible as men. It only puts them on equal footing in this regard.

No, no it doesn't. The woman can end the pregnancy almost at will. The man has none of it. Yes, this is a natural proceeding of the fact that the woman carries the baby, however, that doesn't mean that it doesn't give a woman substancially more power to act irresponsibly with her body. This freedom of decision is MORE than a compensation for the carrying of the baby.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Az
No, no it doesn't. The woman can end the pregnancy almost at will. The man has none of it. Yes, this is a natural proceeding of the fact that the woman carries the baby, however, that doesn't mean that it doesn't give a woman substancially more power to act irresponsibly with her body. This freedom of decision is MORE than a compensation for the carrying of the baby.

There are two cases that can happen if abortion is legally available to a pregnant woman:

1. She terminates the preganacy. This absolves both sides from any further responsibility.

2. She doesn't. This means that both sides will be responsible to bring up the kid.

So I don't see where you get this "more iresponsible bit" from.

[Az]

she has more opportunities to change her mind, to relief herself from the responsibility. I hope you do understand the significance of that, otherwise, what's so significant about abortion?

[DinoDoc]

Does anyone really and truely care about this issue besides the nutbags in the OP?

[Vince278]

My wife and I did not plan any of our 7 pregnancies.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Does anyone really and truely care about this issue besides the nutbags in the OP?

[Dr Strangelove]

We don't know that he was lied to. She may genuinely have believed that she could not conceive. She may have been truly told that she could not conceive, or she may have been told that she probably could not conceive and simply misunderstood.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Vince278
My wife and I did not plan any of our 7 pregnancies.

Evidence that some planning is direly needed.