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    OTTAWA (CP) - The Supreme Court of Canada has struck down a Montreal school board's ban on the wearing of ceremonial daggers by Sikh students - delivering a ringing defence of religious freedom in the process.

    In an 8-0 judgment Thursday, the court quashed a decision that barred teenager Gurbaj Singh Multani from attending class wearing the dagger, known as a kirpan.

    The court left room for some restrictions on kirpans in the name of public safety. But a blanket ban goes too far and violates the Charter of Rights, wrote Justice Louise Charron.

    "A total prohibition against wearing kirpans to school undermines the value of this religious symbol and sends the message that some religious practices do not merit the same protection as others."

    Religious tolerance lies "at the very foundation of our democracy," Charron said, and schools must teach respect for minority groups and multicultural values.

    Gurbaj Singh is now 17 and in his last year of high school, a private school that allows him to wear his kirpan. He acknowledged the five years it took for the case to get through the courts were stressful.

    "I was a little scared but the community supported me a lot, they stood by me shoulder by shoulder," he said. "I'm thankful to them."

    The ruling will ease the way for younger students still in public schools in Quebec, he said. "I feel very good that we won our rights."

    A number of school districts in British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario have long permitted the wearing of kirpans subject to certain conditions.

    The rules often include a size limit on the dagger, or a requirement to keep it sheathed and to wear it under clothing and out of sight.

    Those conditions are acceptable to the vast majority of orthodox Sikhs, said Palbinder Shergill, counsel for the Canadian branch of the World Sikh Organization.

    "I certainly hope this decision will put that matter to rest once and for all."

    The judgment could also have an impact on other disputes - for example, the controversies that have erupted in some Quebec schools over the wearing of the hijab, the traditional Muslim head scarf for women.

    The Supreme Court didn't directly address that issue Thursday. But the judges made it clear that schools must produce hard evidence to justify any curb on a sincerely held religious belief.

    "This decision does assist, I believe, in an interpretation that would permit the hijab in schools as well," said Shergill.

    Orthodox Sikhs, who make up about 10 per cent of the estimated 250,000 Sikhs in Canada, are required by their religion to wear the kirpan at all times.

    It symbolizes the fight for justice, but there are religious prohibitions on using it as a weapon.

    Charron was scathing in rejecting a contention by school board lawyers that the dagger is emblematic of violence, calling that factually wrong and "disrespectful to believers in the Sikh religion."

    Four other judges subscribed to Charron's reasoning, while three more reached the same conclusions by different legal means.

    The Montreal dispute arose in 2001 when Gurbaj Singh, then aged 12, first wore his kirpan to school.

    Authorities initially sought a compromise that would allow him to continue wearing the dagger. But the governing council of the Marguerite-Bourgeoys school board rejected that approach and imposed a total ban.

    During a Supreme Court hearing last April, Julius Grey, the lawyer for the Multani family, noted there has never been a school assault committed with a kirpan anywhere in Canada.

    Francois Aquin, the lawyer for the Montreal board, retorted that there have been no school assaults with kitchen knives either. "That doesn't mean we will allow students to carry kitchen knives in school."

    The board issued a statement Thursday saying it was "disappointed" with the court decision but would comply and explain the situation to parents.

    The kirpan has sparked controversy not only in schools, but also in other public institutions, producing a patchwork of policies across the country.

    Sikh MPs can wear kirpans in the House of Commons and visitors can wear them in the public galleries.

    It's all right to wear them in the Supreme Court of Canada, but trial judges in some provinces have banned them from their courtrooms.

    Most airlines once allowed passengers to wear kirpans, but in the security crackdown that followed the 9-11 terrorist attacks Transport Canada decreed a ban.

    The Supreme Court judgment is confined to school situations and does not apply to other areas. "Each environment is a special case," wrote Charron.
    Mom: Don't forget to take your lunch & weapon to school


    the lawyer for the Multani family, noted there has never been a school assault committed with a kirpan anywhere in Canada.
    There's never been a Canadian school assault with a trishul trident either.

    A total prohibition against wearing kirpans to school undermines the value of this religious symbol and sends the message that some religious practices do not merit the same protection as others."

  • #2
    My religion dictates I must carry a gatling gun on me at all times.
    Speaking of Erith:

    "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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    • #3
      you can't carry a gatling gun!

      my religion dictates I carry a pancor jackhammer on me at all times.

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      • #4
        I take it around with me in a shopping trolley. If someone really annoys me, I turn them to a human jam. Great for dealing with inconsiderate drivers with too
        Speaking of Erith:

        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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        • #5
          Mine requires that I must carry a large, blazing tree branch with me at all times.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
            Mine requires that I must carry a large, blazing tree branch with me at all times.
            what do you do in the places that don't allow smoking?

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            • #7
              It symbolizes the fight for justice, but there are religious prohibitions on using it as a weapon.


              You can't use it to fight for justice, but it symbolizes that.
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dis
                what do you do in the places that don't allow smoking?
                Technically I'm not smoking. If the owners of the establishment disagree I sue them over a period of a few years, make a couple of headlines, and eventually fade back into obscurity as some weirdo with a flaming tree branch.

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                • #9
                  So people cry about how oppressive France is for not allowing religious symbols, and now this isn't the same at all, because it's a knife?

                  Right. It's part of the what ever costume they have. Just like a head scarf. Sure it happens to be a piece of medal that can be used as a weapon.

                  You have knives at the cafeteria too.

                  And I'd be worried about them kids carrying real guns in school than couple of traditional small blades.
                  In da butt.
                  "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                  THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                  "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pekka
                    You have knives at the cafeteria too.
                    I hope they don't have knives like that.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                    • #11
                      Kid, yeah, and the difference is what? You can't use it so effectively? That's not even about it, I udnerstand they ban those knives. I'm attacking those people who cried hwo French are so oppressive and at the same time thinking this is totally no problem.

                      I don't know who those people are, I haven't seen them yet, but I'm just pre-empting here.
                      In da butt.
                      "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                      THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                      "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                      • #12
                        we never had knives at our cafeteria. As they don't serve food that requires a knife.

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                        • #13
                          Yes, fat American snacks only needs to be eaten with one big *CHOMP* and then all teh sugar and fat gets into veins and brains and keeps the fat little Americans happy and stupid
                          In da butt.
                          "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                          THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                          "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                          • #14
                            exactly

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pekka
                              Kid, yeah, and the difference is what? You can't use it so effectively? That's not even about it, I udnerstand they ban those knives. I'm attacking those people who cried hwo French are so oppressive and at the same time thinking this is totally no problem.

                              I don't know who those people are, I haven't seen them yet, but I'm just pre-empting here.
                              np. I just read something funny.
                              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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