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  • 85% of US Soldiers Think They're Fighting Because of Saddam's Role in 9/11

    The poll numbers.

    The column at Yahoo.

    In wars of America's century just past, we have sent our soldiers to far-off fields of battle and were left to wonder about their opinions of the life-and-death conflicts in which they were involved.

    Letters home, and more recently telephone calls and emails, would give us a peek into their states of mind. Some who returned would regale friends and family with tales from the front lines.

    Times have now changed. A first-ever survey of U.S. troops on the ground fighting a war overseas has revealed surprising findings, not the least of which is that an overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year.

    Further, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows that more than one in four (29%) thought the U.S. should pull its troops immediately.

    The poll, conducted in conjunction with Le Moyne College's Center for Peace and Global Studies, also showed that another 22% of the respondents, serving in various branches of the armed forces, said the U.S. should leave Iraq in the next six months. One in every five troops - 21% - said troops should be out between six and 12 months. Nearly a quarter - 23% - said they should stay "as long as they are needed."

    The troops have drawn different conclusions about fellow citizens back home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don't believe a continued occupation will work. Another 16% said they believe those favoring a quick withdrawal do so because they oppose the use of the military in a pre-emptive war, while 15% said they do not believe those Americans understand the need for the U.S. troops in Iraq.

    At 55%, reservists serving in Iraq were most likely to see those back home as unpatriotic for wanting a rapid withdrawal, while 45% of Marines and 33% of members of the regular Army agreed.

    The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country say the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it is either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no understanding of it at all, or are unsure. Nearly nine of every 10 - 85% - said the U.S. mission is "to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9-11 attacks," while 77% said they believe the main or a major reason for the war was "to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq."

    Ninety-three percent said that removing weapons of mass destruction is not a reason for U.S. troops being there. Instead, that initial rationale went by the wayside and, in the minds of 68% of the troops, the real mission became to remove Saddam Hussein.

    Just 24% said that "establishing a democracy that can be a model for the Arab World" was the main or a major reason for the war. Only small percentages see the mission there as securing oil supplies (11%) or to provide long-term bases for US troops in the region (6%).

    More than 80% of the troops said they did not hold a negative view of Iraqis because of continuing insurgent attacks against them. Only about two in five see the insurgency as being comprised of discontented Sunnis with very few non-Iraqi helpers.

    On this question there appears to be some confusion among the troops, but two in every three do not agree that if non-Iraqi terrorists could be prevented from crossing the border into Iraq, the insurgency would end.

    To control the insurgency, a majority of respondents (53%) said the U.S. should double both the number of troops and bombing missions, an option absolutely no one back in Washington is considering.

    Reservists were most enthusiastic about using bombing runs and a doubling of ground troops to counter the enemy, with 70% agreeing that would work to control the insurgency. Among regular Army respondents, 48% favored more troops and bombing, and 47% of Marines agreed. However, 36% of Marines said they were uncertain that strategy would work, compared to just 9% of regular Army, 6% of National Guard respondents, and 2% of reservists who said they were not sure.

    Those in Iraq on their first tour of duty were less optimistic that more troops and bombing runs would work. While 38% of first-timers agreed, 62% of those on their second tour and 53% in Iraq at least three times favored more U.S. troops and firepower.

    As new photos of prisoner abuse in Iraq surface, a majority of troops serving there said they oppose harsh interrogation methods. A majority - 55% - said it is not appropriate or standard military conduct to use harsh and threatening methods on possible insurgent prisoners to information of military value.

    Among all respondents, 26% said they were on their first tour of duty in Iraq, while 45% said they were on their second tour, and 29% said they were in Iraq for a third time, or more. Three of every four were male respondents, with 63% under the age of 30.

    The survey included 944 military respondents interviewed at several undisclosed locations throughout Iraq. The names of the specific locations and specific personnel who conducted the survey are being withheld for security purposes. Surveys were conducted face-to-face using random sampling techniques. The margin of error for the survey, conducted Jan. 18 through Feb. 14, 2006, is +/- 3.3 percentage points.

    In other words, the poll is a sound, solid measurement of what is going through the minds of our front-line warriors. It's no letter home, but it's still good to hear from them.
    I'm not sure how valid this poll is but there are some interesting numbers. A majority of reservists think Americans who don't support the war are unpatriotic. Most of the soldiers have ideas about why we're in Iraq that coincide with the Administration's talking points. A large number of soldiers think that the troops should be pulled out in a year or so.
    I never know their names, But i smile just the same
    New faces...Strange places,
    Most everything i see, Becomes a blur to me
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  • #2
    Well they are.

    Saddam's role in 9/11: None.
    Reason for US troops to be there: None.

    QED.
    "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
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    • #3
      Well Pentagon surely has a well developed propaganda machine to motivate the troops, and I guess nothing works better than 9-11

      unless there are people who are willing to claim this is all an accident
      Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
      GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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      • #4
        Nearly nine of every 10 - 85% - said the U.S. mission is "to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9-11 attacks"
        Yeah, well, roughly the same number believe in the pink unicorn too.

        -Arrian
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arrian


          Yeah, well, roughly the same number believe in the pink unicorn too.

          -Arrian
          But pink unicorn makes much more sense actually. Once can make a decent case for pink unicorn while no way to do the same for Saddam 9-11 connection. Saddam 9-11 is actually a premise that can be examined, it was and the conclusions are clear, thus the only barrier to understanding is propaganda with an agenda.
          Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
          GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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          • #6
            Is there propoganda without an agenda?
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            • #7
              As if religions don't have agendas, or use propoganda?

              Anyway, of course the numbers are depressing. What did you expect?

              What percentage of Iraqis do you think actually believe the Jews caused 9/11? It's probably disgustingly high too.

              -Arrian
              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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              • #8
                I think some of these soldiers are messing with the pollsters. And some of them are probably just a little dense.
                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                • #9
                  I think some of these soldiers are messing with the pollsters.


                  hurr, messing with polls... I did that a couple of times, and I felt bad afterwards.

                  "voting for the fringe right"
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kontiki
                    Is there propoganda without an agenda?


                    well I guess I should have finished with "to boost morale the best way they can"



                    [q="Arrian"]
                    As if religions don't have agendas, or use propoganda?

                    Anyway, of course the numbers are depressing. What did you expect?

                    What percentage of Iraqis do you think actually believe the Jews caused 9/11? It's probably disgustingly high too.

                    -Arrian[/q]

                    Well that is the whole point that US soldiers are disinformed on purpose by the authorities they trust in. Should US soldiers not know why are they fighting or be happy about being misled by the officials?

                    Comparing US (the land of the free) soldiers with Iraq citizens just coming out of a decades long dictatorship, just shows in what state is the "freedom of information" in the land of the free. Luckily despite of a very competent propaganda team the US population is still resisting it to a fair extent. Well Bush at least almost lost
                    Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                    GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rah
                      I think some of these soldiers are messing with the pollsters. And some of them are probably just a little dense.
                      hard to believe that this can get you a skew to 85%, much simpler solution is that they are fed with info that is bogus, most likely indirecly but successfully.
                      Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                      GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                      • #12
                        I think we should take a poll to find out.
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #13
                          I can't freaking believe that you ignored the most important part of the poll!

                          A first-ever survey of U.S. troops on the ground fighting a war overseas has revealed surprising findings, not the least of which is that an overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year.
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #14
                            That poll result simply does not reflect any of the experience which I personally had serving in the military. This sounds an aweful lot like a push poll to me.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #15
                              The most important part is that soldiers aren't politicians. They're warriors. They do what they're told to do. That's just the nature of it, justified war or not, if you have too many thinkers there, it just won't work.

                              Thus, I'm not surprised, and I don't think this means anything at all.
                              In da butt.
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