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  • #76
    I'm quite fond of my somewhat chaotic, organically grown city to be honest. A city like Amsterdam already gives me the creeps because of its orderliness and samey architecture. I think you'd quickly see me jumping of the 3067th floor if you'd ever try to squeeze me into an arcology.


    This has one giant minus - transportation. a chaotically gron city will have some serious problems with clogged arteries.
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    • #77
      Maybe it's not the most efficient but it's test and tried. By large it's functional. Otherwise the city wouldn't have grown to the size it has in the first place. Traffic jam is not something I have to deal with in any case.
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      • #78
        It's tested and tried, but creates a ****load of troubles.

        for example, central Tel Aviv:


        check out the southern part of the road grid - it's chaos! plus, it has these narrow main streets that are satanically difficult to drive. To the north and to the east, you'll see a gently rolling grid, that fits the land scape - so much better.
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        • #79
          Use your bike then.
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          • #80
            What Colon said: An arcology, or a residential complex, is made out of a vision people have to conform to. In the case of an arcology, we see in this very thread quite a few people who'll simply NOT conform to such a vision (and Apolyton is much geekier than the rest of the population).

            A friend of mine, who studied architecture, told me that the worse thing about Le Corbusier complexes was that everything went according to the architect's concept (and when you design concept for thousands of inhabitants, let alone millions, you have to make a system where people are considered like cattle). And people do feel smothered by the omnipresent concept, because there is no room for organicness to breathe.
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            • #81
              Use your bike then.

              A) I am moving to Tel Aviv in a couple of months, not now.
              B) I'll probably be living in Ramat Gan, i.e. to the East/North-East of central Tel Aviv.
              C) I'll be serving in a base that's 10 miles away.
              D)thus, Teh trainz0r.
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              • #82
                I know a family in Ramat Gan.
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                • #83
                  You Israelis and your national service. How long is it nowadays?
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                  • #84
                    probably 2 and 10 months for me. Then I also have some paid service, like 3 years, probably. I am not certain if I'll do that paid service, though, and I am not really concerned with the conscript part - I'll probably start a nice M.Sc. going, and at 25 will be done with it. with an M.Sc. at 25, I'll still be way ahead of most Israelis. Then, perhaps, and MBA, and with some experience of managing projects, I'll be on my way to cash.
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                    • #85
                      I think you need a bit of experience actually working before embarking on an MBA...wait until you've shimmied up the greasy pole a bit
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                      • #86
                        The future arcology could be something like a great library frame; the architect designs just the basics (pillars, causeways, elevators and ducts) and lets people build their own stuff in their floorspace or bring in some prebuilt construction. Just like an ordinary city plans it's roads, utility grid and zoning, but in 3D.

                        Of course these floors would be huge (say 10 storey high each). And of course there would be rules on how much weight one could add to the structure and how much space would be left free inbetween.
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                        • #87
                          Possible yet the problems of open space air and the questionability of a need of such gigantic building remains.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by axi
                            The future arcology could be something like a great library frame; the architect designs just the basics (pillars, causeways, elevators and ducts) and lets people build their own stuff in their floorspace or bring in some prebuilt construction. Just like an ordinary city plans it's roads, utility grid and zoning, but in 3D.

                            Of course these floors would be huge (say 10 storey high each). And of course there would be rules on how much weight one could add to the structure and how much space would be left free inbetween.
                            so effectively the state would create "higher ground" ... that is all, and people would be able to buy land on those artificial floors and than develop as they see fit...

                            probably the best attempt if you ask me. It is only that we might lack the tech to implemement this style of building, as it would be to heavy to carry the weight of all the infrastructure that gets laid down on a normal street, as in the end it would look the same, just that it would "hang" in the air, or better to say, rely on the pyramid skeleton to support itself.

                            Given that the normal house is what ~6-7 meters tall, you could have floors 15m high and that is about it. If it was a pyramid 1 km tall you could have ~ 60 floors of "living space" and at the top 5 floors for offices or some such... hmmm.... not that I would like living there, but well it would be a lot more open than some other ideas.... this would have to have some kind of steel/composite/nanotube material, pyramid type of skeleton that would be open so the light could come in, and it would have to have layers, so perhaps you would have streets and bridges connecting them in between... so the sunlight could still come into the deepest area of the arcology. I guess it would not be super dense, but would be much denser than current cities, and the 2-3 roads could circle all around it all the way to the top, with 2 exits ono each road from each street to create enough space for travel and movement... So each street would be a street like we have today, it is only that behind the wall at the end of it (or the end of your garden) there would be a 500m abyss from 30th floor

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                            oooh.... you would have really lovely view if your house was on the side, and the sides of the pyramid could have really lovely glass lifts going up and down carrying people and good in addtion to the roads... hmmm... sounds better already ...
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Spiffor
                              What Colon said: An arcology, or a residential complex, is made out of a vision people have to conform to. In the case of an arcology, we see in this very thread quite a few people who'll simply NOT conform to such a vision (and Apolyton is much geekier than the rest of the population).

                              A friend of mine, who studied architecture, told me that the worse thing about Le Corbusier complexes was that everything went according to the architect's concept (and when you design concept for thousands of inhabitants, let alone millions, you have to make a system where people are considered like cattle). And people do feel smothered by the omnipresent concept, because there is no room for organicness to breathe.
                              Exactly.

                              Of course a lot of people really think of people like cattle *coughagathoncough* so I'm sure they wouldn't see any problems with this idea.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by OzzyKP


                                Exactly.

                                Of course a lot of people really think of people like cattle *coughagathoncough* so I'm sure they wouldn't see any problems with this idea.
                                if it was economical I am sure there would be takers... if the places were 50% of the market value of a "normal house" and if not before this kind of concept will most likely see the light of day when we go to colonize beyond this planet.

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                                and suburbia = cattle ranch already
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