Legalise prostitution? I'm for it!!

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Dis


I really must address this. Street prostitution will always be there. Because it's far cheaper than the brothels in Nevada (don't ask how I know this ). More regulation means higher prices. And most johns are just lazy, and want a quicky oral around the corner, and aren't going to drive 60 miles to get it.

Quite true. The going rate for oral here in Indy is around 10-15 dollars, Intercourse is a bit more, between 15-20. The overhead on a brothel would probably jack up the prices considerably. And those 10 dollar hookers are not suddenly going to be worth 50 dollars. You'll end up with a two-tiered system, one legal with marginally attractive ladies (and men, and men who dress like ladies) and one illegal, with the toothless whores still prowling the streets.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Dis
And yes I have been to legal brothels. I'm fully admitting it here. The only reason I stopped was because you guys here at Apolyton made me feel guilty about it. I haven't been to one in many, many years. But I'm tired of having you guys here dictate how I live my life. I fully intend on going back to a brothel here in a few weeks. And I don't appreciate you guys making me feel guilty about my behaviour.

Are you going to be HBO (the Bunny Ranch)?

[Terra Nullius]

Dis

NB: Not an endorsement of prostitution per se, but if we had more customers like Dis, it wouldn't be such a bad job.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Dis
One more response, and I'm done (at least for the night)

I see prostitution laws as just another way to keep the poor man (and women) down. That's all it is. It's people who are advantaged trying to keep the disadvantaged down. And I think it's complete bull****. I do like you posters who are against this, but I completely think you are wrong on this issue. And I'm pissed at your attitudes towards this.

It's easy for people who can get some to say that people shouldn't buy sex. But what about people who can't get any, or who are disfigured or handicapped? What about women who can't get a husband? Should they be forced to work minimum wage at mcdonald's? Not everyone is as advantaged as you.

I really don't think middle class people should have a say in this issue. You know nothing about it. You all have the advantaged. We at the bottom do not have these advantages. So stop telling me how to live my life.

And yes I have been to legal brothels. I'm fully admitting it here. The only reason I stopped was because you guys here at Apolyton made me feel guilty about it. I haven't been to one in many, many years. But I'm tired of having you guys here dictate how I live my life. I fully intend on going back to a brothel here in a few weeks. And I don't appreciate you guys making me feel guilty about my behaviour.

Don't live your life by other peoples' standards, that's all I am going to say. The concept of prostitutes don't appeal to me personally but I am certainly not going to judge someone who does who is in a similar situation to me. Truth is, I just don't care that much any more. Let's face it, it's the world's oldest profession, and certainly more socially productive than the finance industry

[MrFun]

Some people seem to justify legalization of prostitution based on the simplistic, naive argument that if the women want to put out for money, there's no "coercion" so therefore, it's morally acceptable. This ignores other covert forms of coercion.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by MrFun
Some people seem to justify legalization of prostitution based on the simplistic, naive argument that if the women want to put out for money, there's no "coercion" so therefore, it's morally acceptable. This ignores other covert forms of coercion.

Oh please. We can use that argument for anything. Like, we shouldn't legalize drugs, because there are 'covert forms of coercion' to take them. Or, something that would appeal to religious conservatives, we should legalize homosexualty, because there are 'covert forms of coercion' for kids to become homosexual, and it isn't really free choice (you know you've heard the argument... the Hollywood culture, etc, etc, BS).

It's a BS argument.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




Oh please. We can use that argument for anything. Like, we shouldn't legalize drugs, because there are 'covert forms of coercion' to take them. Or, something that would appeal to religious conservatives, we should legalize homosexualty, because there are 'covert forms of coercion' for kids to become homosexual, and it isn't really free choice (you know you've heard the argument... the Hollywood culture, etc, etc, BS).

It's a BS argument.

Maybe if the history of the exploitation of women throughout the world in all different eras was much more benevolent than was the case, I would not be so "close-minded" as to the "benefits" of prostitution that women would enjoy in our world today.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by MrFun
Maybe if the history of the exploitation of women throughout the world in all different eras was much more benevolent than was the case, I would not be so "close-minded" as to the "benefits" of prostitution that women would enjoy in our world today.

Oh please.

If women were oppressed then, it goes to figure that they'd be oppressed now?! That's ridiculous. Times have changed, MrFun. I think if women are considered equals in the workplace, I think prostitution, if legalized, may be different than it was in 1800s England, to use an example.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel


Quite true. The going rate for oral here in Indy is around 10-15 dollars, Intercourse is a bit more, between 15-20. The overhead on a brothel would probably jack up the prices considerably. And those 10 dollar hookers are not suddenly going to be worth 50 dollars. You'll end up with a two-tiered system, one legal with marginally attractive ladies (and men, and men who dress like ladies) and one illegal, with the toothless whores still prowling the streets.

I have no idea what the street trade costs here but I know the websites and agencies quote 150-200 per "half-hour".

Street may be cheaper . I saw an article that referred to the high track and low track here in Calgary and did refer to prices like 40 or 60 for services from a 50 year old crack addicted pro.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by MrFun



Maybe if the history of the exploitation of women throughout the world in all different eras was much more benevolent than was the case, I would not be so "close-minded" as to the "benefits" of prostitution that women would enjoy in our world today.

I don't see much in the way of arguments about benefits. The benefit to the woman if she is working for herself is cash , nothing more and the risks are many and varied.

I hope that law enforcement can crush the pimps and exploiters. But if a rational woman in control of her own choices ( to the extent that most people are) decides freely to do this, I don't see where anyone has the right to stop her.

Some people shovel crap for a living, some grind away in a windowless cubicle . . Lots of people have jobs that I or you might not do, or approve of.

Unless you are going to get all moralistic , how is it different if a person wants to provide sexual pleasure to others as their job? I'm agreed that exploitation has existed and does exist. But if a pro "freely" does this since she can earn 2000 a week , where is the exploitation?

[OneFootInTheGrave]

I am for it too... censorship just pushes it underground and than all the problems that it would bring anyhow just multiply. Supply and demand issue

[Flubber]

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
I am for it too... censorship just pushes it underground and than all the problems that it would bring anyhow just multiply. Supply and demand issue

Yup

Everything I have read indicates that there is far less pimping among the somewhat legal escort trade-- The city licencing process here means that neither the escorts nor the owners can have a criminal record.

However that same licencing process is under fire (local editorials) since an escort agency owner used it to successfully not get convicted of pimping type charges. It will be interesting to see what happens

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Prostitution exists . . . always has, always will. I don't think anywhere in the world you can prevent people from trading something they have for something they want.


Add in the artificial distinction between the "by-the -act" trade and what many young hotties do in peddling their flesh on a longer term basis with "boyfriends" 30 and 40 years their senior or heck the calculating lady that marries for money ( she knows what is going on even if her husband is clueless) etc etc-- How many wives give their husband a nice roll in the hay on the evening he presents her with a surprise gift ??

Finish with the simple personal control of ones body argument . An accountant or engineer can sell or rent access to their brainpower and particular skills. By what right do you prevent a competent adult from selling their sexual services and skills? ( note that moralizing or calling it degrading is a value judgement and many people see sex as much less special-- a shame IMHO but that "specialness" doesn't exist for a lot of people

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Oh please.

If women were oppressed then, it goes to figure that they'd be oppressed now?! That's ridiculous. Times have changed, MrFun. I think if women are considered equals in the workplace, I think prostitution, if legalized, may be different than it was in 1800s England, to use an example.

I don't find your rolling-eyes smilie intimidating.



BREAKING NEWS -- JUST IN -- there are women who live today, in other parts of the world, where they truly are still oppressed!!

Who'd had thunk it?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by MrFun






BREAKING NEWS -- JUST IN -- there are women who live today, in other parts of the world, where they truly are still oppressed!!

Who'd had thunk it?

and there are women and even some men in conventional relationships, even marriages that are regularly degraded, abused, beaten , raped within the context of THOSE relationships.


So ??

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Flubber

So ??

My point is that Imran was looking through the rose-tinted glasses of only Western nations where women are much more well-off than their "sisters" in other parts of the world.