Legalise prostitution? I'm for it!!

[binTravkin]

And finally:

Originally, prostitution was widely legal in the United States. Prostitution was made illegal in almost all states between 1910 and 1915 largely due to the influence of the Woman's Christian Temperance Union which was influential in the banning of drug use and was a major force in the prohibition of alcohol.

We all know to what alcohol ban led..

[Flubber]

Originally posted by binTravkin


On how effective such prohibitions are, we all know.
And we all know that prostitution is one of the oldest things (rumours are it was invented shortly after sex ).

Or just before-- Eve told Adam he could touch her if he brought he some apples

[binTravkin]

Wow, I missed that one, so actually..

I don't see what to argue about here anymore.

[Flubber]

I'm sure that there are some who would argue that women have been trading sec for economic benefits all throughout history

Consider

1. The non-working wife thats marries the affluent man for love.

2. The non-working wife that intentionally uses her sexual charms to get and keep a rich husband.

3. The girl that only sleeps with "men she likes" but the men she likes all happen to be affluent and like bringing her expensive things.

4. The 22 yr old "living with" the 65 year old "boyfriend" who provides food , shelter etc and often tosses her a few bucks so she can buy something nice

5. The mistress to a married man , installed in an apartment

6. the girl on a chat line saying she is horny and wants a hot time with a cute guy that can bring some "stuff" to party with (drugs or alcohol)

7 Girls that explicitly rent their body out by the hour


I am not saying all women fit in one of these categories . . . Not at all. But many do and where is the line where prostitution begins?

But ask yourself how many times economics might play a factor in a woman's decision to sleep with someone . . . even if a woman might deny it. Money might not be explicit but a girl might find a guy "hot" in part because he drove up in a porsche, has the best clothes and stylists etc etc.

[binTravkin]

But ask yourself how many times economics might play a factor in a woman's decision to sleep with someone . . . even if a woman might deny it. Money might not be explicit but a girl might find a guy "hot" in part because he drove up in a porsche, has the best clothes and stylists etc etc.

It's actually a natural instinct to like well-situated men more, as a woman needs to think about herself and her possible children.
So, yes, first one should draw a line where exactly it becomes prostitution, and only then one can talk about prohibiting it.
Prostitution is reality, it's only how you call it.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by binTravkin

So, yes, first one should draw a line where exactly it becomes prostitution, and only then one can talk about prohibiting it.

THat line is tough to draw since in many many many cases neither party would see what they are doing as being prostitution since there is never a direct exchange of cash for a given sex act.

But if the rich guy "gives" his girlfriend (30 years younger than him) a $5000 bracelet, I'm betting he really expects to be very very happy sexually for a few days. But I bet you that both of them would vehemently oppose the idea of what they are doing being prositution . . IN fact they might be appalled at the entire idea of "prostitution" and would never engage in such a thing.

[Pekka]

Are prossies abused? Ask them high class hoes who make 30k a week with some Japanese business men. Are female pornstars abused? There are lots of women owners in that business. THere are actresses who all make more money than male actresses if in same level. I'd say the men are getting abused there if anyone is getting abused.

Being a prossie is a choice, thus it's not abuse. I mean, there are lots of them who are getting abused, are on drugs and stuff, but the most stupid thing I ever heard is 'no woman will sell their body by choice'. Right Welcome to real world people, tehre are ladies who sell their bodies instead of workign somewhere else, they actually choose to do it, because tehre's good money in it (FOR SOME, NOT ALL), and those who make nice money out of it, excuse me for not feeling sorry for them being 'abused'. IF you choose it, then there's no say for anyone else to try to feel sorry for them. You know, don't talk for people you don't know. That's just ignorance.

Currently many prossies are being abused. That's not what I'm saying. But not ALL of them. Some actually have chosen to give the pie to make some benjamins.

Can they do it? Why not, I'm not the person to say you can't if two adults want to make a deal like that. That is, I don't want to get into peoples business when it's their own matter. And I expect them to not tell me what to do with my body or money either.

[binTravkin]

and would never engage in such a thing.

Although what they're doing could be called prostitution too, as there's material values figuring in the thing..

[Flubber]

Originally posted by binTravkin

Although what they're doing could be called prostitution too, as there's material values figuring in the thing..

Bin -- that was precisely my point . . . There are people who make exchanges of sex for money in a number of ways who would never think they were engaged in prostitution.

They would deny it but how many more nice bracelets do you think the "girlfriend" would receive if the boyfriend didn't get sex for a week?

[Az]

than male actresses if in same level

[Dis]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs


Thanks, but given I live here I already knew all that. That wasn't the point...

yeah, but you are gay. What do you know about female prostitutes.

[Dis]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
We have legal brothels here in Nevada, where the girls can leave if they wish, are checked for STDs constantly and safe sex practices are strictly enforced on worker and client, abuse of the girls is prosecuted the the fullest extent of the law, and yet we still have illegal prostitution on our streets.

So no, legalization isn't a cure-all in-and-of-itself. Some women and men either can't be or refuse to be arsed to bother with any kind of legal regulation of the world's oldest trade.

I really must address this. Street prostitution will always be there. Because it's far cheaper than the brothels in Nevada (don't ask how I know this ). More regulation means higher prices. And most johns are just lazy, and want a quicky oral around the corner, and aren't going to drive 60 miles to get it. Even in Reno it's a 30 mile drive. A 15 mile drive from Carson City.

Although this could be solved if it was legal in the cities. Our mayor touched on the idea of legalization, and got a serious backlash. It will never happen.

[Dis]

Originally posted by CyberShy


It is supposed to do that, but it doesn't. Several investigations have showed this.
It's as in other sectors of our economy. There are much illegal workers from Poland in our agricultural secion in example. As long as there are people who want to do things cheap or there are people in foreign countries who want to earn easy money, this will continue.

You'll be surprised to find out how many of the girls in prostition / pornography have been sexual abused as a child. Our 'greatest' pornstar, Kim Holland, in example has been abused and raped by several men in her family when she was a child.
Are they voluntairy going into prostition? Or are they just doing that because they have no normal view on sex?

Of course there are a lot of woman who do it with full knowledge, completely voluntairy.
But you may wonder if you visit a prostitute or watch porn:
1. is this girl doing this because she wants to do it or because she's forced to do it?
2. has this girl been raped or abused in the past? And am I factually taking advantage of her?
3. is this girl doing this because she really needs the money to help her poor family?

I'm 100% sure that people who watch porn or visit hookers on a regular base are responsible for this.
And since there's a huge market for porn, the abuse will continue.

Of course people don't like it I say this and will come with all kinds of excuses. But in the end it's just your penis that's talking. You do not want it because you're rational brain knows it's good an ok. You just it because you're horny and need some relief.

Well, if you get your relief, wonder: "Am I taking advantage of this girl and am I part of this world who's destroying her life". It doesn't matter if you watch her or do her.

In case you wonder, I don't pretent to be any better then any of you guys.

then your country is ****ed up. It's easy to say prostitutes in Nevada are all immigrants being taken advantage of. But 95% of them are white. I can't help it if you Europeans can't get a handle on your slave trade. We figured out the slavery problem a long time ago.

I'm not buying your argument at all. I was abused as a child as well, did any of you guys ever think about how that affects me? People only think of women. And how does abuse as a child affect decision they make as an adult?

And finally you are saying women do it because they are poor. Isn't that why anyone gets a job? To prevent from starving to death?

[Dis]

Originally posted by Pekka
Wheelchair people can have an erection, depending what their situation is.

And those who can't, they might have other ways to get satisfaction. To deny this is to deny satisfaction altogether from people in disadvantaged positions.

Our brothels do have wheelchair ramps.

[Dis]

One more response, and I'm done (at least for the night)

I see prostitution laws as just another way to keep the poor man (and women) down. That's all it is. It's people who are advantaged trying to keep the disadvantaged down. And I think it's complete bull****. I do like you posters who are against this, but I completely think you are wrong on this issue. And I'm pissed at your attitudes towards this.

It's easy for people who can get some to say that people shouldn't buy sex. But what about people who can't get any, or who are disfigured or handicapped? What about women who can't get a husband? Should they be forced to work minimum wage at mcdonald's? Not everyone is as advantaged as you.

I really don't think middle class people should have a say in this issue. You know nothing about it. You all have the advantaged. We at the bottom do not have these advantages. So stop telling me how to live my life.

And yes I have been to legal brothels. I'm fully admitting it here. The only reason I stopped was because you guys here at Apolyton made me feel guilty about it. I haven't been to one in many, many years. But I'm tired of having you guys here dictate how I live my life. I fully intend on going back to a brothel here in a few weeks. And I don't appreciate you guys making me feel guilty about my behaviour.