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  • And it's always good to know at least we're above those sex offending SCUM!

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    • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
      Statisitically speaking, your children are in much greater anger from you than they are from strangers. Thus the only logical conclusion is to take your kids away and give them to strangers.
      You've seen that South Park too, huh?
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      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • Originally posted by Winston


        ........would compare to the negative impact on people's right to privacy. I could have added "right to not be subjected to witch hunts for no good reason", but the privacy concern will do, because that is what affects not a few, not most, but ALL of the people on this list.
        There is no privacy concern. An adult criminal record and ones address are not private information. All these sites do is corellate publicly available data.

        I don't know how many children (always with the children. Apparently you have exclusive information that adults have suddenly stopped being victims of sexual offenses) would have to be spared by this list for it to balance the negative consequences for the people on it, but I do know that until someone is able to come up with some sort of documentation that the "sex offender" list actually prevents sexual offenses (and if so, to what extent), there is absolutely no rational argument that can be made for its existence. And until then, you have nothing to back up your support of it, except the pretention of being a concerned parent, totally unconcerned with whether it actually does more good than harm.
        It wasnt just pedophiles, offenders committing other serious crimes were also included on that site.

        As to proof that it prevents sexual offenses you'll probably never get any. OTOH where is your evidence of 'witch hunts'. I dont think there is much effect either way. So long as the government does not support these sites and the site is careful to only document convicted persons, there is nothing wrong with them.
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        • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
          You've seen that South Park too, huh?


          Probably not, sadly. I've not really seen more than a couple dozen total episodes. Is that the one where the kids take over that town and Catman is in charge of half the town?
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • Originally posted by SpencerH
            where is your evidence of 'witch hunts'.


            Miami has decided that no registered sex offenders can live within its borders. The passed an ordinence requiring them to stay at least 2,500 feet from any school, park, and other area where kids congregate. There' a bout four blocks of warehouses that they could all live in.

            I've seen more than a few stories about people being hounded out of their homes for being on those websites.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • Such a list, by itself, is a result of the ongoing witch hunt by society against sexual offenders. And it is of course instrumental in upholding the stigma against this extremely broad and diverse group.

              Nobody seems to care whether it actually serves its alleged purpose or not, but that's a minor point I guess.

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              • It's a list of people we are socially allowed to hate. It is a list of people we can vicitimize. We can do any evil thing we want to them, and no one cares, because they're sex-offenderes. They lost all their rights forever. (If so, why even let them out of jail?)
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • It's a huge mystery to me why this one group is singled out, when all other types of criminals seem to frequently get outpourings of sympathy or understanding one way or another from somebody.

                  And you all know I'm not a wishy-washy when it comes to criminal punishment. I want people to pay for their crimes and pay hard, by the law, as instituted by the people.

                  I don't want vigilante justice, I don't want harrassment of certain groups, and I don't want lists like this one set up against people who have already paid their dues, just in order for ape-like people and a few others to be able to point fingers at the "creepy bastards".

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                  • I'm not saying I agree with these types of sites, but come on...

                    You really don't understand why this group is singled out?

                    Sex crime offenders are the only ones that might stalk innocent victims out before doing the violence. If people have some hightened awareness, then they at least feel a bit safer. It's not that it's just about sex. It's the whole stalking and planned out encounters that can go along with the sex.
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                    • I say it's because people hate "them" more than anything on this planet.

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                      • Even if only that is true, there is a significant percentage of people that have been hurt by "them"
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                        "Apocalype was a great game." - DrSpike
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                        • What, all of them!? Those perverted BASTARDS!!

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                          • Originally posted by Tiamat



                            You know what fu*k off! I never said I was holier then thou or more moral then the next guy, but it will make me think twice before I let my 2 year old just run around. Innocence is one thing that just doesn't need to be stolen from a child. Sex should always be a choice not something that's forced on you.
                            And people wonder why kids are stuck in front of TVs and computer screens when the parents are too scared to let thier kids go outside?

                            Sex offender does not automatically mean a class 3 sicko. A 18 year geting caught having consensual sex with a 15 year old who gets convicted for statutory rape is not the same thing as some child-molesting monster.

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                            • Originally posted by Apocalypse
                              Sex crime offenders are the only ones that might stalk innocent victims out before doing the violence. If people have some hightened awareness, then they at least feel a bit safer. It's not that it's just about sex. It's the whole stalking and planned out encounters that can go along with the sex.
                              Actually, it's my understanding that while a lot of serial killers have a sexual component to their criminal behavior, sex is often secondary--which is why they're not always considered sex criminals, especially because there are those who have no sexual component to their crimes.

                              It's also my understanding that con artists and thieves stalk and observe their marks for days, weeks beforehand.

                              Hunters do it too, when they're not going after quailtards--stalking and planning on how to do effective violence to another target.

                              Stalking and planning before committing violence is not limited to sex criminals.

                              The reason why I think this sort of crime is singled out, on the other hand, is because of our schizoid nature as a culture--a puritan outlook has made chastity one of the most important virtues. (For instance, look at the prosecution tactics for date rape victims, or even regular rape victims--if they can make the victim look like a whore, i.e., "She was begging for it," often times it somewhat works. Sluts kinda are asking for it; a good, chaste girl would have never put herself in that position.) Violence, on the other hand, that's part of the red blood that runs within us. Just as we're okay with people mowing down hundreds with a machine gun after tossing out a witty one-liner, we get our panties into a twist seeing nipplage during a half-time show.
                              Sex, when you get down to it, is bad. Therefore, we load sex crimes down with a lot more weight than, say, armed robbery.

                              That said, I don't put much stock in these lists. As has been noted before, they don't often make or clearly list distinctions between people who've done statuatory rape, child molestation, or tried to hire a consenting adult for a quick lewinsky.
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                              • Originally posted by Odin


                                And people wonder why kids are stuck in front of TVs and computer screens when the parents are too scared to let thier kids go outside?

                                Sex offender does not automatically mean a class 3 sicko. A 18 year geting caught having consensual sex with a 15 year old who gets convicted for statutory rape is not the same thing as some child-molesting monster.
                                I agree

                                that is why the law should treat them differently

                                I would say even an 18 yearold with a 14 yearold (was common in my highschool)

                                not good, but it doesn't mean the 18 yearold is a sick ****

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