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  • Originally posted by Caligastia
    Did I say they were the most victimized?


    You have to say something for it to be a fact?

    No. I said they were the most vulnerable - i.e. women and children are generally less able to protect themselves than men.


    That may be true, but it's also true that woman and children are the most victimized segments of our population and they are most likely to be victimized by the significant men in their lives.

    The desire to protect your women and children has a rather obvious evolutionary advantage, which is probably one of the reasons why sex offenses are singled out.


    I'm guessing you could come up with an idea like this because you have no notion of evolutionary biology or anthopology.

    Pair bondings that we know of today, i.e., male/female mates pairing off and raising children is an extremely recent even in human history, dating back roughly to the neolithic. Before that, the role of sex in procreation was not understood, except that it was necessary to "open" a woman to the possibility or pregnancy. It would not have been possible for us to evolve to protect "our" women and children, simply because we would have no notion of who they were (as men, women tended to know who their kids were). If anything, we should be far more protective of our sisters and our sisters children than we are, if that notion had naything close to a resemblence of truth in it.

    No, the truth is, women and their children are much more likely to be killed, beaten, raped, molested, etc., by the woman's mate than anyone else. This has been constant for as long as we can remember (and as far as children go, it crosses species too).

    These laws and desires for retribution and a legitimate scapegoat have more to do with our morality than instinct.
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    • Che

      have you went arroudn talking to Cavemen? you claim to know a lot about what they were thinking

      also, I disagree with you strongly

      also, you are wrong about effect of abuse

      I have read studies, I have seen the results (my sister...)

      what you say goes against what the sociogists say

      people who were abused are the ones who abuse others, do have issues (And sometimes are unable to) forming bonds with others (including their childen), and generally have a much more screwed up existence

      this isn't opinion, this is fact (or as much so as what science allows us to determine)

      Jon Miller
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      • I think that child abuse is one of the leading causes of ill in society today

        if I came upon someone abusing a child, and I had a gun, I would kill them

        Jon Miller
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        • Originally posted by chegitz guevara

          These laws and desires for retribution and a legitimate scapegoat have more to do with our morality than instinct.
          Did you know morality is in part linked to "instinct?"
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          • Originally posted by Apocalypse
            Did you know morality is in part linked to "instinct?"


            Yes. But this morality is only a little more than 100 years old. Some aspects of it are less than 30 years old. I dare say that's hardly time to influence our evolution.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • Originally posted by Jon Miller
              Che

              have you went arroudn talking to Cavemen? you claim to know a lot about what they were thinking


              Anthropologist don't seem to have a lot of divergence on this issue.

              also, you are wrong about effect of abuse

              I have read studies, I have seen the results (my sister...)

              what you say goes against what the sociogists say


              Because it's not "PC" to say that people can have **** happen to them on not become total basket cases. In fact, lots of people do. Violence is what ****s people up, and most vicitims of violence go on to lead normal, functional lives: torture victims, Holocaust survivers, survivors of rape, etc. The instance of sexual abuse and violence is high enough that if people were permanently screwed up, a noticably large segment of our society would be unable to function. Studies tell us 1/4 of all women are raped or molested at some point in their lives. Are you really willing to tell me that 1/4 of all women, 1/8th of our population, can't function?
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • chlidren are different than adults

                JM
                Jon Miller-
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                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                  Originally posted by Jon Miller
                  Che

                  have you went arroudn talking to Cavemen? you claim to know a lot about what they were thinking


                  Anthropologist don't seem to have a lot of divergence on this issue.
                  soft science

                  Jon Miller
                  (basically I don't see how they can know, without writing or other such information, considering how little we know about life 6 thousand years ago... I have serious doubts about anything they say)
                  Jon Miller-
                  I AM.CANADIAN
                  GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                  • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                    Originally posted by Apocalypse
                    Did you know morality is in part linked to "instinct?"


                    Yes. But this morality is only a little more than 100 years old. Some aspects of it are less than 30 years old. I dare say that's hardly time to influence our evolution.
                    Exactly what part of this morality is just 30-100 years old?
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                    "At least there were some thoughts went into Apocalypse." - Urban Ranger
                    "Apocalype was a great game." - DrSpike
                    "In Apoc, I had one soldier who lasted through the entire game... was pretty cool. I like apoc for that reason, the soldiers are a bit more 'personal'." - General Ludd

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                    • from studies I did back when I favored group living

                      I think that the pairing/family structure is partly instinct

                      in societies that tried to eliminate it, it would come back, and often cause the collapse of those soceities/comunes

                      I now favor pairings/family, this is some of the reason why I support the legal marriage of homosexuals, as it will support their pairings

                      Jon Miller
                      Jon Miller-
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                      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                      • KENNETH A ACKERMAN
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                        948.02(2): Second-Degree Sexual Assault of a Child

                        That is right next door. And I have a 5 month old daughter. But you know what? I bet that he's more nervous about having a cop live next door than I am about having him near by... (I'm moving in a week anyway...)
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                        • But you know what? I bet that he's more nervous about having a cop live next door

                          Why should he be nervous about having a cop live next door? after all he's now a regular member of the community.



                          Seriously, great discussion, guys.
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                          • Interesting disclaimer on that site.

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                            • soft science

                              Jon Miller
                              (basically I don't see how they can know, without writing or other such information, considering how little we know about life 6 thousand years ago... I have serious doubts about anything they say)


                              You win the prize for meaningless statement of the week... Did we ever talk to an atom? how come we know about them?

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                              • Boris, you really think you can get JM to understand why paleoanthroplogists get paid for doing what they do?
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