"The dramatic wish of Romanians... was to be occupied by Americans, not Russians"

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Seeker
That is a really hard prop poster to understand. Are they condemning the KKK and lynching??

no its clearly placing the blame at where it is most warrented, the j00s.

[StarLightDeath]

It's not taboo, it's just irrelevant as to why Rumanians would have prefered to've been occupied by the Yanks sixty years ago.

You're right, this is Apolyton and anything that puts the US in a positive light is either pointless, irrelevant, or flat out false.

[Colon™]

Originally posted by Serb

Romania ceded Besarabia to USSR in 1939, but earlier she grabbed it from Russia. USSR didn't attack Romania with intentionaly created extermination teams waving idea of complete anihillation of some infernior people.
After what Romanian forces done during occupation of Ukraine, Soviet occupation of Romania looks VERY gentle.

And before that, it was a vassal of the Ottomans from whom you nabbed it. And before before that it was independent. I'm sure we can go all the way to the Roman age like that. Sounds like a classic territorial dispute.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Colon™


The USSR did annex parts of Romania first, didn't they?

They did it WHILE they were allied - oops, in a non-aggression pact - with Nazi Germany.

The eastern europeans (with the exception of the Czechs) were willing to make deals with the devil - so was the USSR. Nothing much to choose from there.

[Timexwatch]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

It's not taboo, it's just irrelevant as to why Rumanians would have prefered to've been occupied by the Yanks sixty years ago.

But that seems perfectly relevant as to whether or not Latin American countries would prefer to be occupied by the U.S. in the event of a devastating war or political catastrophe. I wouldn't blame a country, say Nicaragua, not wanting U.S. troops, cash, etc. because of our dealings there.

[Dr Strangelove]

IIRC when the Soviets counter-attacked in the Stalingrad sector they chose to hit the Romanian portion of the Axis lines, knowing that the Romanians would collapse like a house of cards. The Romanians and Hungarians were both allied with the Nazis and together they contributed a substantial number of troops to the Eastern Front.

In the 1960s there was an Anthony Quinn movie in which he portrayed a hapless Romanian peasant caught up in the insanity of WW2. The mayor of the town covets his wife, so he denounces him in as a Jew. Sent to a concentration camp his fortunes changes when a Nazis doctor proclaims him to be a descendent of ancient Aryans who emigrated throughout eastern Europe. Suddenly he changes sides of the barbed wire, becoming a guard while his benefactor sees to it that his face is carried all over Europe in Nazis magazines. When the Russians liberate his base he becomes a prisoner again. Finally he's acquitted at a war crimes trial and finds his way back home, his sole concellation being to find that the mayor was executed by the Soviets and that his wife had waited for him to return. It was a touching performance by Anthony Quinn, but the movie was eventually taken out of circulation because of complaints that it whitewashed eastern europeans, so many of whom willingly collaborated with the Nazis in their crusade to eradicate european Jews.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Az

Cost of waging the Second World War: $65.3 billion

is that adjusted for inflation?!!!

If that's what you'd call numbers pulled out of my ass, then yes.

[DanS]

I was a little curious, so I did some quick research. Google says the US spent about $340 billion and all told the war cost over $1 trillion in 1940s dollars. This would equal about $10 trillion in today's dollars.

I guess these figures wouldn't include the costs of the destruction caused that was rebuilt after the war, etc.

[Saras]

Originally posted by MrFun
I fully acknowledge the evil things the USSR did to its own people, and to foreign populations they had under their control.

Why are there still Americans who ignore the things United States has done in some Latin American countries?

Because they pale in comparison of sheer magnitude of suffering?

[Az]

Originally posted by notyoueither


If that's what you'd call numbers pulled out of my ass, then yes.

You're a ****ing *******


But, yes, that's wat I'd call them.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by StarLightDeath


You're right, this is Apolyton and anything that puts the US in a positive light is either pointless, irrelevant, or flat out false.

So not crediting Romanians by knowing the future is now being anti-American?
:rotfl:

[Patroklos]

Yes, and no. Both governments for the most part were toppled and rebuilt. Iraq actually has it much easier because they didn't go through the bombings that Japan did...regardless of all the terrorist attacks going on now.

That makes it easier as far as the death and destruction suffered during hostilites, but as far as the aftermath not so.

There was no question for every German and Japanese citizen that they had been completely defeated in that war to the individual citizen. We were not fighting this stupid "just the dictator" crap, we were fighting ALL of Germany and ALL of Japan. The populations were exhausted and defeated, making them far more Malleable for reconstruction into something different.

[Az]

It doesn't matter if you control the politicians if the people aren't open to the ideas being imposed on them.

QFT Starlightdeath ( must be a first)

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Saras


Because they pale in comparison of sheer magnitude of suffering?

There's a saying over here that goes "First brush before your own doorstep".

It is very convenient to go around and say: "Hey, those guys did worse things."And it's not too hard to argue this way, the Germans and us Austrians did this favor to other people.
Whatever crimes the Soviets commited in the east, backing bloody, fascist dictators in Latin America was not only "raison d'etat" to prevent worse communist crimes but mostly sober calculation and economic at the cost of the poor populace of those countries.

This stands for itself and is not related to the Soviets. Maybe blame THEM for forcing the USA to back such dictators. It's all their fault.

[StarLightDeath]

QFT Starlightdeath ( must be a first)

Not the first time I'm right, just the first time you realized I was right. Someday you will come to understand that I am right about everything and on that day you and I will be better off. Here's a thumbs up to enlightenment.