Danish embassy invaded

[Traianvs]

Sure enough muslims are not allowed to portray Mohammed and they should feel free to keep it that way. On the other hand, we're not muslims so I don't see what their problem is.

I hate it when people think their own moral values/prohibitions/duties etc have to be enforced everywhere. Of course it's not only muslims... I know some people who want to oblige the state to put jesus statues on every corner of the street, crosses in every classroom or public building, that the dogmas should once again be taught at school etc etc...

damnit if they need such petty habits to structure their lives so be it, but they've got no right to screw us too!

[Lazerus]

could somebody link me to the cartoons ? i want to see whats caused them all to get their knickers in a twist this time.

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Lazerus
could somebody link me to the cartoons ? i want to see whats caused them all to get their knickers in a twist this time.

From the closed thread

http://www.di2.nu/files/Muhammed_Cartoons_Jyllands_Posten.html

[germanos]

Jack Straw condemns reprinting of the cartoons

Sensible man.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by germanos
Jack Straw condemns reprinting of the cartoons

Sensible man.

Indeed he is:

"Straw told reporters before leaving for Berlin it was "highly probable" Iran would be referred to the Security Council.

He said the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty put Iran "under very clear obligations not to do anything which leads to suspicions that they are developing a nuclear weapons capability."

[Donegeal]

He did say some good things, but the difference between this and some type of defamation of any other religion, is that the other religions aren't threatening violence as a reprizal.

Guess what? I CAN think of another situation where people are threatened with vilence and death for what they say, and it aptly fits here!

The Mafia has a standing order to kill informants (people who speak of their deals to the police). What a remarkable anaolgy!

Donegeal pats himself on the back.

[Dinner]

I find it utterly amazing that the same people who routinely depict rabbis as performing satanic rituals and say defamitory things about christians now whine like stuck pigs when they're little feelings are hurt.

A number of European papers, including Germany's Die Welt, Spain's El Periodico, the Netherlands' de Volkskrant and Italy's La Stampa, then responded by republishing the drawings in support of the principle of free expression. "I don't really understand the fuss," Die Welt editor Roger Köppel, who ran one on his front page today, told German television. "Arabic television has shown beheadings and staged bestial rituals involving Jewish rabbis. We're seeing double standards at work here, and it's the job of journalists to expose them." Larry Kilman, communications director of the World Association of Newspapers, says the "overreaction in the Middle East is disturbing."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1155844,00.html

[lord of the mark]

ADL Statement on Danish Cartoons Depicting Mohammed


New York, NY, February 2, 2006 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) issued the following statement in response to the controversy stemming from the twelve cartoons depicting Mohammed featured in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and reprinted in other European newspapers:

ADL is opposed to religious, racial and ethnic stereotyping in the media. We found some of the cartoons in Jyllands-Posten troubling, particularly the direct linkage of Mohammad and violence.

At the same time, we are gravely concerned by the extreme violent reaction these cartoons have generated in Muslim communities in Europe, and particularly in the Middle East. It is certainly the right of individuals and governments to express their disagreement with these depictions. However, the use of violence, threats, boycotts and other extreme reactions are highly inappropriate and bode ill for future debates involving Islam, democracy and free speech.

What has been overlooked in the controversy is the fact that despicable anti-Jewish caricatures appear daily in newspapers across the Arab and Muslim world. While invoking the supposed "freedom of the press" in their countries, Arab and Muslim leaders have refused to take any action to stem the drumbeat of anti-Semitism in widely circulated newspapers, many state-sponsored. Indeed, leaders of regimes such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia have virtually ignored appeals from the United States and Jewish organizations to put an end to incitement in their media, excusing it in the name of "freedom of the press." One would hope that leaders of Arab and Muslim countries would turn all of the anger being aimed at the European press into a larger lesson for their own people about the power of images.

ADL is strongly committed to free speech and freedom of the press – principles we consider the cornerstones of democracy. In a democratic society, newspapers need to be free to publish controversial content without fear of censorship or intimidation of their writers and editors. At the same time, newspapers and all media outlets should to take into account the sensitivities of racial, ethnic and religious groups.




The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

[Datajack Franit]

Here´s today´s front page of a popular conservative newspaper


"Here (in Europe) Mohammed rules"
Shame! Europe bows to Islam and apologizes for a satiric view on Allah

[duke o' york]

I'm loving the pirate cartoon in the middle.

[BlackCat]

Do you have a link to an english version ? Goggle gives me a lot of links to diapers

[Datajack Franit]

they don´t have an english version but I´m translating it right now

[germanos]

More and more I get an uneasy feeling...

Calls for moderation, like the one I linked to from Jack Straw, are countered with the message: all that the cartoons published by Jyllands-Posten do is ***-for-tat for what the muslims do.
In other words: it's fine to deliberately post defematory pics, articles etc. since they do the same.
And, offcourse the underlying message is: finally we get revenge.

As I had feared, the issue is not about free speech, but about the right to take an eye for an eye.
A value that all three monotheistic religeons hold so very dear.

[germanos]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
ADL Statement on Danish Cartoons Depicting Mohammed

(snip)

... Arab and Muslim leaders have refused to take any action to stem the drumbeat of anti-Semitism in widely circulated newspapers, many state-sponsored. Indeed, leaders of regimes such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia have virtually ignored appeals from the United States and Jewish organizations to put an end to incitement in their media, excusing it in the name of "freedom of the press."
...

@LotM:
While you are (probably) not a sposeman for the ADL, I do have this question for you:
What action do you think the leaders of Arab and Muslim leaders should take towards the non-state sponsored papers that issue these anti-semitic pics/cartoons/articles?

[Dinner]

These need to be published in every paper in the civilized world. There needs to be so many people standing up for free speech that the muslim fundimentalists won't be able to attack or boycott everyone. If religion is going to be made a matter where people cannot speak freely then the media in the muslim world must stop their daily attacks on Jews.