Danish embassy invaded

[Combat Ingrid]

Az

A nice picture for you

[Donegeal]

I love that cartoon!

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Elok
Rioting mobs are horrid, but they're not anywhere near as bad as rapists;

Quote material just incase this does turn into full scale war.

[Az]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
Az

A nice picture for you

[laurentius]

Sorry to spoil the fun here but the analogy the cartoonist is trying to make in the picture CI posted is flawed. The caricature on the right is depicting a divine, religious character. The caricature on the left is on the other hand depicting an earthly, mortal character.

The point is that without any doubt that if there was a caricature of a jewish God with a swastika on it published in a major western newspaper it would provoke strong condemnation or even violence not only from the orthodox jews and Israeli government but also from the anti racism NGO's as well as some western govenments.

maybe we are all bigots afterall?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by laurentius
Sorry to spoil the fun here but the analogy the cartoonist is trying to make in the picture CI posted is flawed. The caricature on the right is depicting a divine, religious character. The caricature on the left is on the other hand depicting an earthly, mortal character.

The point is that without any doubt that if there was a caricature of a jewish God with a swastika on it published in a major western newspaper it would provoke strong condemnation or even violence not only from the orthodox jews and Israeli government but also from the anti racism NGO's as well as some western govenments.

maybe we are all bigots afterall?

Nope. Ultraorthodox Jews in Israel MIGHT riot if such a thing were in an Israeli paper. No Jews outside of Israel would riot, and Israeli Ultraorthodox Jews would ignore most anything that doesnt happen IN Israel. And of course the Israeli govt would not be anymore concerned with a depiction of God than the cartoon above. In fact probably less so.

God after all can take care of Himself. Ordinary Jews are quite capable of being murdered. Of course we are more concerned about cartoons that incite hatred against human beings.

[Donegeal]

BS Uproar condemnation and protests? Yes. Violence? No. And JP is by no means a "major western newspaper".

[Arrian]

I think you'd get condemnation out of it, surely. I'd be quite surprised if there was rioting/violence because of it.

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian
I think you'd get condemnation out of it, surely. I'd be quite surprised if there was rioting/violence because of it.

-Arrian

Ultraorthodox Jews IN Israel are pretty sensitive to things done IN Israel, ESP by the Israeli govt. They have rioted about archaelogists digging up bodies (against Jewish law) they have thrown stones at buses running through THEIR neighborboods on Shabbos (though they are quite willing to ignore what happens in other neighborhoos) etc. So its hard to rule out a protest that gets out of hand from them on something big. But they dont presume to dictate to the globe, only to secular Israelis. And for reasons that Im not sure of, and my guesses would only bore you, this culture of militancy does not at all extend to ultraorthodox Jews outside of Israel.

[laurentius]

Oh yeah? I've heard you can get your car stoned if you drive in sabbath in the more orthodox neighbourhoods in Baltimore for example. Surely something like that does happen in Israel too. Especially if some pissed off ultra orthodox rabbis would make it a big deal in their respected communities. Seeing how sensitive those people are about the demolition of the settlements now in the West Bank I have no reason not to believe that they are capable of more than just boycotts.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by laurentius

Oh yeah? I've heard you can get your car stoned if you drive in sabbath in the more orthodox neighbourhoods in Baltimore for example.

Ive driven in the most Orthodox neighborhoods of Baltimore on the Sabbath. I hardly even got a dirty look.
You seem to be getting Baltimore confused with Jerusalem. An easy enough mistake

Surely something like that does happen in Israel too. Especially if some pissed off ultra orthodox rabbis would make it a big deal in their respected communities.

As I said its possible, but ive only ever heard of them getting violent cause of things happening IN Israel.

Seeing how sensitive those people are about the demolition of the settlements now in the West Bank I have no reason not to believe that they are capable of more than just boycotts.

The folks in the settlements are for the most part NOT ultraorthodox, and are not the same as the folks who throw stones at buses on Shabbos.


You really should learn about what you are speaking about, before making unsupported assertions.

[Arrian]

LotM,

I think the anti-defamation league and other such organizations would condemn such a caricature (let's say the cartoon was of Jehovah driving a Tank over a bunch of Palestinians ). As for ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel... I'll take your word for it.

-Arrian

[Az]

Not giving a ****>>condemning ****>>boycotting entire nations demanding to stop freedom of press>>torching embassies

free goatse!

[laurentius]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

The folks in the settlements are for the most part NOT ultraorthodox, and are not the same as the folks who throw stones at buses on Shabbos.


You really should learn about what you are speaking about, before making unsupported assertions.

Okay so now we have two groups of potentially violent people. Thats even worse than I though. What else do I need to learn before you grant me a permission to speak?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian
LotM,

I think the anti-defamation league and other such organizations would condemn such a caricature (let's say the cartoon was of Jehovah driving a Tank over a bunch of Palestinians ).

Well of course they would. They have ALSO condemned the cartoons of Muhammed, as have some other Jewish organizations. As have the editors of Haaretz.

In fact I think many of us would have, and i certainly would have, had the Islamic world not made this a freedom of speech issue with threats and acts of violence. And a collective punishment issue - lets note about their boycott - theyre not just boycotting the newspaper that published the cartoons, or the companies that advertize in it, but a Danish dairy company that has nothing to do with the cartoons. What the hell is that company supposed to do? Unless the boycott is punishment of the Danish nation for not censoring the paper.

I mean the UK paper the Independent published a cartoon of Ariel Sharon eating Palestinian babies. Given the history of the blood libel, Id say thats about as offensive a cartoon as one could publish. Now I'll be damned if i ever buy the Independent. But Im not going to boycott everything British - what is the rest of Britain supposed to do, censor the Independent?

Back to my point. Condemning is one thing. Laurentius suggested we're all alike. On the issue of violence we're not.