Danish embassy invaded

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by lightblue
Well they would say that wouldn't they... To be honest i hope this is the beginning of the end of religion as a whole. Any sane person can see the amount of trouble that religion causes in the world, and that we would be far better off without it.

The only good religions do at the moment is charitable causes and that should not be based around the missionary agenda it is frequently now anyway.

Except they mostly are of the strings attached variety...

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Winston
Your previous post has been reported, MOBIUS.

Winston, you are anti freedom of speech - you are a hypocrite!

We all know the reason you've jumped on this bandwagon is your well publicised anti muslim agenda...

Am I to be punished for speaking the truth, thus further proving my point?

We shall see...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Winston
Your previous post has been reported, MOBIUS.

You are trying to take his freedom of speech away

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


You are trying to take his freedom of speech away

Winston is a hypocrite! I am insulted that he should try to take away my freedom to speak the truth!

[Imran Siddiqui]

This should have been done in the US.. hell, they hate us anyway down there... but American Muslims are usually less radical than their European breatheren (I think because we've integrated them better into US society... there are no American Muslim ghettos in the big cities for one).

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Has anybody mentioned this yet?

The Vatican says the right to freedom of expression does not imply the right to offend religious beliefs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4681294.stm

**** the Vatican.

In december, the Pope let it be known that atheist are obliged to respect "holy things". The RCC may have mellowed in attitude, but they still fully believe they've got the authority to dictate what people are allowed to think, catholics or not.

[polarnomad]

Freedom of speech may very well be an important cornerstone of western civilization, however it is not so important that the innocent should get caught in the fanatical crossfire.

Freedom comes with responsibilty. Fanatically defending a principle will do harm to many more that have no desire to get caught up in conflict.

Self-restraint does not necessarily equate with censorship, and in this case would have been wise...

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
This should have been done in the US.. hell, they hate us anyway down there... but American Muslims are usually less radical than their European breatheren (I think because we've integrated them better into US society... there are no American Muslim ghettos in the big cities for one).

And they are literate and have access to the news to make their own minds up, unlike untold millions of their Middle Eastern brethren...

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Odin


I find many of the "hate speach" regulations in Europe rediculous. At the Paradox forums (for games like Europa Universalis) you can't show Nazi symbols even if the purpose is not racist (say you are using it to mock Bush, or posting stuff on WW2) apparently because since the company is based in Sweden It would violate Swedish law if it let people post pictures of Nazi symbols. Also, use of the Stars and Bars flag is not illegal as far as I know. Europe is much more PC than the US, IMO.

The paradox: Most Swedes of all political directions would embrace the Chinese Falun-Gong movement, but if you show a Falun Gong symbol, the same person would go crazy.

We must reclaim the swastica from the nazis, and celebrate it as the 4000-year old health symbol it really is.

[lightblue]

Can we stop turning this thread into a Winston vs whoever thread like the last one please?

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by lightblue
Can we stop turning this thread into a Winston vs whoever thread like the last one please?

That one was weeks ago wasn't it...?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by polarnomad
Self-restraint does not necessarily equate with censorship, and in this case would have been wise...

Well that's true. I wonder if part of this is because the Danish paper looked as though they really wanted to annoy Muslims when doing this.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


If I recall in France it is illegal to deny the holocaust.

In the US the confederate flag has been banned in many forms, some states want to ban teaching about evolution etc...

The whole 'PC' culture...

The west bleating on about freedom of speech is basically hypocritical when taking those examples into consideration...

Some frogeater have to answer the french/holocaust denial.

The confederation flag forbidden ? Well, those who typically want to use it is pro segregation and often even slavery - didn't know that you were a supporter of that.

You are right, some states want to ban teaching of evolution, but have they succeded ? Is it illegalt to talk about evolution ?

The only point where I agree with you is the PC culture - it should be fought against every time it pops up it's little ugly head.

I actually thought you could do better.

[polarnomad]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Well that's true. I wonder if part of this is because the Danish paper looked as though they really wanted to annoy Muslims when doing this.

It is likely that some chose to see it that way. Of course, reprinting the same cartoons in other newspapers just made the matter worse.

They tested the limits and certainly found them. Are we any the better off for it?

[lightblue]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


That one was weeks ago wasn't it...?

Nah the first "mohamed cartoon" thread turned into a Winston vs Gepap slang fest and got locked.