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  • Here's a good article about the silliness of oil independence.

    Urban Myth

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    “Oil is a commodity that moves around the globe. It does not matter where the U.S. or any other country gets its oil,” Kaufmann said. “Producing oil in the U.S. is, in and of itself, not necessarily a good thing. An economy that is totally self-sufficient is not necessarily efficient. North Korea and Albania [during its communist era] prove that.”

    As it happens, the United States gets most of its oil from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela – unstable countries that are often hostile to U.S. interests. So what if the U.S. were somehow able to purchase all of its oil from more friendly suppliers?

    “Say we got all of our oil from Canada or Mexico. Well, the Mexicans and the Canadians, as much as they love us, are not going to sell us oil for any less than what they can get on the world oil market,” Kaufmann said. “Just because the U.S. gets oil from a relatively stable country does not make it any less vulnerable to oil disruptions than if we got all of our oil from the Saudis or any other unstable country.”

    ...

    Drilling the Alaskan arctic
    Some claim that drilling the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) will make the U.S. energy independent and solve its energy problems


    This is also a fallacy, Kaufmann said. Since the oil market is a global market, the oil extracted from the ANWR would be sold on the world market, not reserved only for U.S. consumers and sold at below-market prices.

    “We are in a global marketplace, so no one is going to sell us oil for $10 a barrel when they can get it for $40 on the world market,” Kaufmann said.


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    “Let’s not argue about U.S. Energy independence. The real show is about the pipeline,” Kaufmann said.

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    Controlling the market
    At any point in time, there is a limited amount of oil that any country or company can produce, Kaufmann said.

    Does OPEC still have the power? Yes, Kaufmann said, but it has lost ground because none of the OPEC countries have spare production capacity. OPEC cannot substantially increase production and therefore cannot control the marginal supply. Current prices will therefore remain high until production capacity can be increased

    “I don’t think OPEC wants prices this high, but it is powerless to bring them down because they have no more capacity. They couldn’t produce more oil even if they wanted to,” Kaufmann said. “Prices will remain high until OPEC or some other organization can generate more capacity to affect demand.”


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    • good points, Dan.

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      • I can't see what kid says. He is still on ignore. The joy!

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        • Originally posted by TCO
          I can't see what kid says. He is still on ignore. The joy!
          That's why you're still an idiot.
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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          • Huh? Can't hear you.

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            • Looks like all those people saying the US could not produce more oil were wrong.

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              • Whatever happened with that bet...?

                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                • 10 years on, US is reconsidering nuclear, Germany, Japan shutting it down.

                  World is just digging itself a deeper hole, but whatever, between eco-nuts and oil profits, there is not much space left for anything else.
                  Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                  GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                  • I think Kitty won the specific bet, buut I think was off on the depletion winning versus Dan's view that oil commodity would have more wiggles and surprises (as it has in the past). After all volume is up.

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                    • DanS paid up like a gentleman. Silver dollar, quite nice.
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                      Killing it is the new killing it
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                      • Wow, so people had Kid on ignore back in 2006. Did not remember that.
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                        • I´d strongly invest into research into coal liquefaction and plastics to oil - conversion technology, ideally making the processes cheaper and resulting in less harmful waste products (aside form the oil) after some time of research

                          While it may not be of immediate use, it may benefit us 1-2 decades into the future (and/or when OPEC increases the oil prices again)
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                          • Recently had a tour of a new Gulf Coast oil terminal. Amazing heavy metal capitalistic construction. Big race to be first to add the infrastructure. Has a huge loop of multiple railroad tracks, big oil tanks, meters, a dock for loading barges, a dock for load/unloading ships. And pipeline connections. Takes in tar sands oil ("railbit") and keeps it heated and sends it to pipelines to GC refineries. They even hav truck unloading racks to let local East Texas producers deliver oil. Still lots of action in the midstream even with the price drop hurting the upstream.

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                            • I just put money into KMI and collect the dividends.
                              “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                              ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                              • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                                OPEC doesn't want the price of oil this high, and it is. Therefore, OPEC has no control of the price. It's very simple. There is no cartel price anymore.
                                Three factual and a logical error in just over one line. Well done!

                                J

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