US, EU3, Russia, China call for Iran to be reported to UNSC

[GePap]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

Despite what GePap will tell you, governments don't always act sensibly.

And yet, after 50 years, we are still around... surprise.

[GePap]

And to repeat what I have said over and over:

Iran violated the NPT by caryring out secret nuclear work. They should be referred to the council, period.

What the Council can do, should do, is demand total Iranian transparency, or it will impose sanctions. What is should not do, unless it wants to end the NPT system (as broekn as it is) is create new obligations on non-nulcear powers in denying them certain nulcear activities they have a right to under the ability to create fully independent civil nulcear programs.

Sanctions aren't really going to happen, not ones that would actually hurt the Iranians.

The Chinese need cheap energy, and Russians wants more contracts (so do the Chinese), so don;t expect the UNSC to impose any sanctions that would seriously do anything to stop an Iran hellbent on nukes.

And don;t expect anything to actually stop an Iran hellbent on nukes form getting them, unless anyone here is willing to fight a full conventional war for it, that that is not going to happen.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

Despite what GePap will tell you, governments don't always act sensibly.

That's not an answer to the question. It's one thing for a country not to act sensibly, it's another to act in a way that completely ensures the utter and almost instant annihilation of your regime and your country.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Ecthy
In other words, Iran needs to be nuked. Right or not?

Wrong.

1. Millions of innocent people.
2. If you start nuking willy-nilly, MAD gets nullified and everyone will nuke willy-nilly.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Arrian
Am I the only one who is really amused that Iran must be "reported" to the UN? As if all that's been going on is unknown to the UN, and only once the US, EU, Russia & China tell the UN about it will it know...

What is this, 3rd grade? "I'm reporting you to the principle!!"

-Arrian

Don't smirk mister, if you're not careful this could go down on your permanent record!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap


I do worry about irrational use of nukes. And the US is as irrational as the Iranians.

Unlike you thought, I am not a hypocrite, because I believe the US does not deserve nukes anymore than Iran. (or any state for that matter). Conversely, if Iran wants nukes and leaves the NPT, they have as much right to them as the US does.

i dont know who deserves what.

I think the states that advocated for NPT way back in the 1960s were right to be concerned about proliferation, and were realistic, and right to accept that the cold war made it very difficult to disarm the superpowers.

I think it has been good that in the post cold war era the US and Russia have worked to decrease their nuclear stockpiles.

I think that for the US to go further in nuclear disarmament, will require including the other nuclear states in negotiations, and addressing the issues of rogue states.

That said, I think it completely appropriate for the US to work together with its allies and other world powers to stop the Iranian regime from aquiring nuclear weapons.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
And to repeat what I have said over and over:

Iran violated the NPT by caryring out secret nuclear work. They should be referred to the council, period.

What the Council can do, should do, is demand total Iranian transparency, or it will impose sanctions. What is should not do, unless it wants to end the NPT system (as broekn as it is) is create new obligations on non-nulcear powers in denying them certain nulcear activities they have a right to under the ability to create fully independent civil nulcear programs.

first - Does the NPT guarantee a right to enrichment? Im not sure it does.

second - if they only demand transparency from Iran, and iran then transparently engages in enrichment, then Iran has lost nothing from its prior cheating. What incentive is there not to cheat?

[lord of the mark]

The IAEA voted to report Iran to the UNSC.

Vote was 27-3, 5 abstentions.

Supporting were all the Western countries (including Iran and eastern Europe) Russia, China, India, Ghana, several Latin American countries - Colombia, Ecuador, and Brazil.

Most notable, IMO, was the support of India and Brazil.

Syria, Cuba, and Venezuala voted no.

Algeria, Indonesia, Libya, Belarus, and South Africa abstained.

Pretty widespread support, good momentum going forward.

[Edan]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
The IAEA voted to report Iran to the UNSC.

Vote was 27-3, 5 abstentions.

Supporting were all the Western countries (including Iran and eastern Europe)

Iran voted to report itself to the UNSC? I thought they were being uncooperative.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Edan


Iran voted to report itself to the UNSC? I thought they were being uncooperative.

ok, i wont dans you. Australia, for some reason i typed Iran