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I should like to add that I'm not too happy about the way life was in Germany under Bismarck 
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whinyismOriginally posted by civman2000
Supporting socialism/communism:
Refusing to acknowledge that communists have been totalitarian and oppressive in the past:
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Shall we go into the details of the brutality of Western imperialism throughout the world? I am sure the bodycount would be pretty damn impressive...Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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whinyismOriginally posted by Provost Harrison
Shall we go into the details of the brutality of Western imperialism throughout the world? I am sure the bodycount would be pretty damn impressive...
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Exactly
Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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It's not, it's a Brit news magazine. All sorts of juicy details come out. I mean, sure, our politicians are crooked, but it seems yours are crooked, AND (often) overtly racist, AND incapable of diplomacy. Plus, instead of our two political parties that hate each other, each European country has up to a dozen major political parties which hate each other (noted smugly as a sign of European superiority), including Green, Labour, Communists, Christian Democrats, Hates-Immigrants, Hates-Immigrants-but-only-from-Specific-Countries...I can't believe Mussolini's granddaughter actually has a presence in politics. "Not only am I the seed of a dictator, I'm not even the seed of a successful dictator! I am the hereditary Gomer Pyle of politics!" What a continent.Originally posted by BlackCat
Didn't know that the Economist was a cartoon - is it funny ?
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Originally posted by Elok
It's not, it's a Brit news magazine. All sorts of juicy details come out. I mean, sure, our politicians are crooked, but it seems yours are crooked, AND (often) overtly racist, AND incapable of diplomacy. Plus, instead of our two political parties that hate each other, each European country has up to a dozen major political parties which hate each other (noted smugly as a sign of European superiority), including Green, Labour, Communists, Christian Democrats, Hates-Immigrants, Hates-Immigrants-but-only-from-Specific-Countries...I can't believe Mussolini's granddaughter actually has a presence in politics. "Not only am I the seed of a dictator, I'm not even the seed of a successful dictator! I am the hereditary Gomer Pyle of politics!" What a continent.
I can see your trouble, but don't be afraid. It's just called democracy and right to free speech. Don't worry - you'll learn it some time in the future.
Oh, and don't worry when your politicians gets as little crooked as ours - it's only the bad guys that cry then
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Who wasn't?Originally posted by civman2000
Refusing to acknowledge that communists have been totalitarian and oppressive in the past:
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Re: PACE: Commies suck; Commies: #@*$ you!
PACE strongly sucks.Originally posted by ajbera
PACE: Commies suck
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Why is this a discussion?
Tyranical totalitarian systems BAD.
Seems a very simple, obvious statement.
NOw, the problem is the knee jerk and grossly ignorant action to confuse tyranical totalitarianism with Marxism, or Communism in general.
Leninist regimes can be, and certainly Maoist and Stalinist regimes are, tyranical totalitarian systems. BUt there is a difference between:
Communism in general
Marxism (more specific)
Leninism (even more specific)
Stalinism and Maoism
If PACE is making that ignorant assumption, then well, dumbasses. If not, then what is wrong with the statement?If you don't like reality, change it! me
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When were we totalitarian?Originally posted by Serb
Who wasn't?
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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In Guatemala, in Chile, in Iran, in Vietnam, in Iraq.... and so on.Originally posted by Vince278
When were we totalitarian?
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Originally posted by techumseh
In Guatemala, in Chile, in Iran, in Vietnam, in Iraq.... and so on.
I guess I meant in our own country.
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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Originally posted by civman2000
Refusing to acknowledge that communists have been totalitarian and oppressive in the past:
Originally posted by Serb
Who wasn't?
So, you don't deny you were oppressive ?Originally posted by Vince278
When were we totalitarian?
Fine.Comment
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Yeah, I hear yaOriginally posted by techumseh
In Guatemala, in Chile, in Iran, in Vietnam, in Iraq.... and so on.
May I add? North America (to begin with), Grenada, Panama, Philipines, Cuba and so on.Comment
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