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    PACE strongly condemns crimes of totalitarian communist regimes

    Strasbourg, 25.01.2006 – The Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly (PACE) today strongly condemned the massive human rights violations committed by totalitarian communist regimes and expressed sympathy, understanding and recognition for the victims of these crimes.

    The Assembly – which brings together parliamentarians from 46 European countries – said in a resolution that these violations included individual and collective assassinations and executions, death in concentration camps, starvation, deportations, torture, slave labour and other forms of mass physical terror.

    The peoples of the former USSR by far outnumbered other peoples in terms of the number of victims, the parliamentarians said.

    They also called on all communist or post-communist parties in Council of Europe member states which had not so far done so “to reassess the history of communism and their own past […] and condemn them without any ambiguity”.

    “The Assembly believes that this clear position of the international community will pave the way to further reconciliation,” the parliamentarians added.

    The Council of Europe was “well placed” for this debate, the Assembly pointed out, since all former European communist countries, with the exception of Belarus, are now its members and the protection of human rights and the rule of law are the basic values for which it stands.

    A draft recommendation calling on Europe’s governments to adopt a similar declaration of the international condemnation of crimes of totalitarian communist regimes did not receive the necessary two-thirds majority of the votes cast.

    For more information, please visit http://assembly.coe.int or http://www.coe.int/PAsession
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    Red Mist Descends

    By EURSOC One
    26 January, 2006

    European communists have reacted with fury to the news that the parliamentary assembly of the Council of Europe has voted to formally condemn "the crimes of totalitarian communist regimes."

    The PACE issued a statement expressing "sympathy, understanding and recognition for the victims of these crimes" which it described as "massive human rights violations... including individual and collective assassinations and executions, death in concentration camps, starvation, deportations, torture, slave labour and other forms of mass physical terror."

    It called on communist parties in European states "to reassess the history of communism and their own past […] and condemn them without any ambiguity”.

    Fat chance. Russian newspapers reacted predictably, with former Soviet mouthpiece Pravda describing it as a "ridiculous attempt to condemn communism." It also expressed unease over the prospect of Russian officers being categorised as no different from members of the Nazi SS. Russian MPs on the assembly warned that Moscow was opposed to a condemnation.

    Russian opposition to the statement is only to be expected: After all, this is a nation where around 50 percent of the population profess an admiration for Stalin and close to that number admit that having a similarly tough guy around might do their country some good.

    However, the antics of western socialists and communists are more shameful. The vote, which passed by 99 to 42 (with 12 abstaining), was ferociously opposed by western leftists.

    Spain's supposedly moderate socialists opposed the resolution, while the absurd Belgian Communist Party described it as ""a violent attack on history, present and future of communism." Various Greek factions condemned the resolution as "neo McCarthyism" and, laughably, "persecution."

    French Communists attempted to throw the Holocaust into the debate, arguing that to compare the horrors of Hitler's Nazis to what they must imagine to be the benign and gentle acts of their heroes "banalises the Holocaust." They added that the resolution ignored the role of Communists in fighting fascism.

    Other Communists in France complained that the vote was a capitalist ploy, consigning Communism to the graveyard of history of closing off any alternative to liberalism.

    The vote was a belated attempt to recognise the 100 million who have died at the hands of Communist regimes, including over 20 million in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. Its sponsor, Sweden's Goran Lindblad, also proposed a memorial day to remember those who were killed by Communist regimes, though this resolution failed to reach the required two-thirds majority.

  • #2
    I generally dislike this sort of rhetorical grandstanding, but I take some consolation in the fact it's bound to annoy the Left Party.
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    • #3
      I haven't seen anything about it in L'Humanté yet. I wonder if the "fury" of the Communist parties is anything close to the second article's hystery.
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      • #4
        It'll be fun when Serb sees this
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        • #5
          Anyway, what does "liberal" mean to a French commie?
          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Last Conformist
            Anyway, what does "liberal" mean to a French commie?
            Free-marketeer ideologic zealot.
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            • #7
              I suppose that means that French commies are marginally less insane than US Republicans ...
              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
              The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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              • #8
                The claim that PACE's decision is politically motivated is fairly legitimate. After the fall of the USSR, the free-marketeers have enjoyed a complete domination over the ideological arena: free markets and capitalism were simply the one and only way.

                With the lefties getting more organised, and even provoking the failures of several world summits favorizing liberalisation, the liberals' domination over the ideological arena is not as clear (though they are still clearly on the winning side). South America is now full of socialist ideas once more. African leaders have agreed on the principle of cancelling the debt (it was definitely not a consensus before). In Germany, there were debates about whether capitalism was a good idea. Once again, the liberals have to fight against competing ideologies.

                PACE's decision can be used as one instrument among many in that ideological struggle. Although I must admit it'd require an amazing propaganda machine for a message sent by PACE to reach the people
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                • #9
                  A massive propaganda machine...or just you genius commies objecting to it and giving it the glamour of controversy. These resolutions mean nothing. They're just a way for international councils of all stripes to pretend they have some kind of significance despite their clear lack of actual authority. We all know it too. Just how many months/years has it been since the UN Strongly Condemned the situation in Darfur? If the communists hadn't taken the bait and reacted, there would have been nothing of interest in the story and it would have been quickly ignored.

                  Now, that would also have meant bypassing an opportunity to draw attention to themselves, which all zealots loathe, but they really would have been better off that way. They could have profited as a supposedly nutty-but-harmless group of nobodies staying beneath the radar. Like the Scientologists before Tom Cruise mauled Oprah's couch.
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                  • #10
                    Supporting socialism/communism:
                    Refusing to acknowledge that communists have been totalitarian and oppressive in the past:

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                    • #11
                      Elok: Whenever a political group is interested in getting votes (which is the case of nearly all the Commie parties in Europe, as they don't prepare the violent overthrowing of the current regime anymore), it definitely doesn't want to get under the radar.

                      If only that decision had been taken by some significant body, there would have been some mediatization, and the Commies would get talked about.

                      For the time being, we'll have to make do with the publicity over the alter-globalization supporters.
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                      • #12
                        They gave up revolutions? I don't see why. Historically, europeans have had far more success in overthrowing regimes than in getting each other to agree on stuff.
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                        • #13
                          I have an information for you: Europe has changed since 1945 .

                          Yes, I know, that idea is hard for an American to fathom, but I'm sure you can do it
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                          "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                          • #14
                            I wasn't talking about WWII. We get the Economist at my house, they fill us in on all the wacky disfunctional EU shenanigans.
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                            • #15
                              Didn't know that the Economist was a cartoon - is it funny ?
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