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  • Blizzard joins the Homophobes Union..

    Well... I haven't posted a thread in months, so it's about time.

    I am a World of Warcraft player, although I have suspended my account until the current batch of technical problems is sorted out (the service was becoming too erratic and I also needed a break after six months of hardcore playing).

    If you've played the game, you will know that there is a policy against using language relating to race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. in an insulting manner. This is a punishable offence in WoW and you can be banned for life if you are a repeat offender.

    So I was checking the WoW forums to get a sense of whether the technical problems had been fixed, and I came across this:

    Apparently, Blizzard has an "invisible" extension to the harassment policy that makes it an offence for a guild to advertise itself as gay friendly when recruiting in general chat.

    For a record of the interaction between the sanctioned person in this case and Blizzard here's a link



    Even worse is that Blizzard is in print saying how their game is gay friendly.

    Reading around I see that this has happened before and some people report being warned for merely answering a question about their homosexuality in the affirmative. So it doesn't appear to be a troll or the actions of a rogue GM.. and even some of the player community reps (appointed by Blizz) are uneasy with it.

    For those that haven't played the game: the general chat channels and most of the others are always replete with examples of juvenile homophobia, especially in certain zones where the immature seem to congregate (like The Barrens). The kids are always calling each other gay or other people "fags" or talking about "buttsecks" and so on. It's no surprise that gay players want to join guilds where this sort of thing won't go on in guild chat, and also where they won't be booted from their guild if it comes to light that they are homosexual, which has also happened to some players (in my experience people always talk about their RL stuff in guild chat, so it is bound to come out sooner or later -- in any case no one is punished for talking about their heterosexual relationships).

    Note that this person was not warned for advertising a guild that is for gays only, but only for advertising a guild which had a policy of nondiscrimination against gays.

    If you read the email exchange with Blizzard (from the link above) you will see that their reasoning is that they want to protect gay players by not letting them talk openly about their sexuality in the game, and they are concerned because other players (read: fundie loons) might find the notion of someone else being a homosexual offensive.

    What the hell? That's the lamest excuse I have ever heard. It's like making holding hands illegal for homosexuals to "protect" them from harassment by bigots. I bet the real excuse is that they have no spine and would rather that people who are offended by homosexuality just don't have to deal with gays "pushing it in their face" rather than letting gay players advertise for groups that won't harass them.

    Gay people have to deal with enough crap as it is, and even more than usual in that game. Now they aren't allowed to explicitly look for guidies who won't treat them like garbage.

    And all this in a game where the platemail that female characters wear looks like a metal bikini and their dance moves come straight from a stripper's routine, and where female avatars often do strip dances for admiring throngs.

    Yet you're not allowed to say publicly that you want gay friendly people in your guild. Why would any self respecting gay person want to pay Blizzard money to be treated like garbage?

    Do you think it's OK to do stuff like this?
    Only feebs vote.

  • #2
    it's their game, they can do what they want

    they can ban people for whatever they want...

    they can make stupid rules and ban people for using the word "the"... or using the word "ZOMFG"

    I personally agree with you Agathon, that this is stupid, but I think that Blizzard does have a right to do this. But I don't see what the big deal is. It's just a game. Just play it. Follow the rules and you won't have a problem. If you feel the need to discuss your personal life (whether someone is gay or hetero) then do it outside the game.

    Problem solved.

    IMO, all this stuff is just one more reason why WoW is a piece of crap.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #3
      I personally agree with you Agathon, that this is stupid, but I think that Blizzard does have a right to do this.


      No one said that they didn't have a legal right to do this, but it seems morally dubious.

      If you feel the need to discuss your personal life (whether someone is gay or hetero) then do it outside the game.


      Only gay people aren't allowed to. That's the problem.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Agathon

        No one said that they didn't have a legal right to do this, but it seems morally dubious.
        So do you think they shouldn't be allowed to do this? Legally?

        Only gay people aren't allowed to. That's the problem.
        Yeah... I understand that. I was thinking about something else... I probably should have left that part out.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          It seems to me that "gay-friendly" guilds may be a form of reverse discrimination... if they only allow homosexuals to be in the guilds.

          I'm not sure how they worked or if that is actually the case... I don't really know what Blizzard's thinking behind this is.

          Personally, I would just let people do whatever they wanted to do.

          But hey, it's Blizzard's game, they should be able to run it how they want to run it. And if they want to run it this way, even if I disagree with how they are handling it, I say that's the way it should be.

          I may not agree with their decision, but instead of maybe making a law saying they can't discriminate or whatever, forcing the government to do something, I'd rather just let consumers dictate things... i.e. if the people who play WoW care so much about this issue then they will stop playing the game and paying the monthly fees, then Blizzard will be forced to change their policies.

          That's why I say let Blizzard run things the way they want.

          So basically...

          Blizzard
          WoW
          Blizzard having the freedom to do this
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sava
            So do you think they shouldn't be allowed to do this? Legally?
            No. The rights of gays not to be discriminated against supercede the rights of bigots to discriminate against them. I would go further than most people and make it virtually impossible for people to engage in discriminatory activities once they leave their homes.

            Let's roll back the civil rights era and pretend it never happened. Now if Blizzard were disallowing black customers and other civil rights minded people from advertising the fact that they would not like to admit to their guilds people who had racist views, then it would be just as bad.

            There are laws against racism in hiring practices, I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be laws prohibiting businesses from discriminating against their customers. Segregated lunch counters were abolished for a reason. Why should it be any different for gay people?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sava
              It seems to me that "gay-friendly" guilds may be a form of reverse discrimination... if they only allow homosexuals to be in the guilds.
              This isn't what they are banning. They are banning people from advertising the fact that their guild has rules against discriminating against gays. They are happy for anyone to join, as long as whoever does, does not engage in discriminatory behaviour against gays.
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              • #8
                I'd rather just let consumers dictate things...


                This is just a free pass to bigots in cases where the group discriminated against is a small minority. We wouldn't need to worry about minority rights if the minority in question had a reasonable means to apply sanctions to those who discriminate.

                It's like the Old South. If you said that black people were free to refrain from patronising establishments that discriminated against them, it would be true. It would also be true that the result of this policy would be a kind of apartheid guaranteed by the economic and social power of the white majority. If you admit that is a problem, then allowing people do just vote with their wallets won't fix the problem at all.
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                • #9
                  What are you talking about? Gay people are still allowed to play the game.

                  From Blizzard's POV, they are saying that they don't want "speech" that is inciteful... like saying FIRE in a theatre... in this case, it is gay people talking about their homosexual relationships which would happen to incite immature asshats to flame them in the game.

                  What Blizzard is doing may seem unfair (OH NOES, GAY PEOPLE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIPS IN A COMPUTER GAME... LIKE THAT IS A BIG LOSS... BECAUSE GOD KNOWS I PLAY COMPUTER GAMES TO TALK ABOUT MY RELATIONSHIPS ), but they are within their rights.

                  If it bothers you that much... don't play the game.

                  But comparing it to the Civil Rights era struggles is both hilarious and offensive...

                  How in the hell can you think that gay people talking about their relationships on a computer game online is the same as the struggles black people went through during that era? Are you insane? Or have you completely lost all perspective here?
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • #10
                    How in the hell can you think that gay people talking about their relationships on a computer game online is the same as the struggles black people went through during that era? Are you insane? Or have you completely lost all perspective here?


                    How is it any different from gay people being able to eat in the same restaurants as straights? Or attend the same sporting events?

                    This is what the future will be like anyway. People will spend more time in virtual realities, which is what WoW really is. Social problems don't suddenly vanish because people are now interacting through different media.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Blizzard joins the Homophobes Union..

                      Originally posted by Agathon
                      Even worse is that Blizzard is in print saying how their game is gay friendly.
                      The orcs and demons in Blizzard games were tough enough without being gay as well.
                      "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                      "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                      • #12
                        Re: Re: Blizzard joins the Homophobes Union..

                        Originally posted by Vince278

                        The orcs and demons in Blizzard games were tough enough without being gay as well.
                        I think it's weird though... they make a completely gay class with gay armor sets (the Paladin) and then stomp on gays who play the game.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Re: Re: Blizzard joins the Homophobes Union..

                          Originally posted by Agathon
                          I think it's weird though... they make a completely gay class with gay armor sets (the Paladin) and then stomp on gays who play the game.
                          Many people fall into the trap of going just a little overboard when trying to be non-discriminatory.
                          "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                          "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                          2004 Presidential Candidate
                          2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Agathon

                            How is it any different from gay people being able to eat in the same restaurants as straights? Or attend the same sporting events?


                            because Blizzard is not saying gay people cannot play the game...

                            they are just saying don't talk about your relationships in the chat...

                            are you not paying attention here?

                            GAY PEOPLE CAN STILL PLAY THE SAME GAME AS HETEROS

                            What Blizzard should have done is make the policy so that people can't talk about their relationships or their sex lives, period... and not just restrict it to homosexuals.
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #15
                              They don't have an OT forum?
                              "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                              "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                              2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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