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  • There has been a fascinating study recently released by ICG. From the summary:

    The record of the last several months, as Hamas rubbed elbows with issues of local governance and campaigned for national office, offers a preliminary, mixed picture of how political integration might affect its outlook and conduct. In its pragmatism, and even willingness to deal with Israel on day-to-day operational affairs, Hamas rule at the local level has been almost boringly similar to its predecessor. Local politicians emphasise themes of good governance, economic development, and personal and social security, leaving specifically religious issues and the conflict with Israel to the background. With only scant exceptions, they have yet to try to impose their vision of an Islamist society.

    Nationally, too, signs of pragmatism can be detected. Far more than Fatah, Hamas has proved a disciplined adherent to the ceasefire, and Israeli military officers readily credit this for the sharp decline in violence. In recent statements, Hamas leaders have not ruled out changing their movement’s charter, negotiating with Israel, or accepting a long-term truce on the basis of an Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 lines. Today, their electoral platform is in these respects closer to Fatah’s outlook than to Hamas’s founding principles.

    There is a less encouraging side. Hamas continues to straddle its public and clandestine wings, subject to competing views from different leadership elements, and at least partially susceptible to Syrian and Iranian pressures. Most Israelis, and not a few Palestinians, are worried about its armed potential, and there is widespread suspicion in Israel that the organisation simply is biding its time, waiting for the post-electoral period to launch a new wave of attacks with a replenished and improved arsenal. Perhaps most significantly, it has neither renounced violence, nor accepted Israel’s existence.

    All this suggests that integration is a work in progress, neither a sure thing nor the safest of bets. But what is the alternative? The PA is not in a military, let alone a political, position forcibly to disarm Hamas. Since taking office, Abbas has been paralysed by a sclerotic political system, and he has more than once staked his political future on successful, inclusive elections. Without the prospect of political incorporation, and in the absence of a credible diplomatic process, Hamas – and, along with it, most other armed organisations – is likely to resume sustained attacks against Israel. What remains, for now, is the possibility that by incorporating Hamas more deeply into local and national governance, its stake in overall stability and the political costs of a breakdown gradually will steer it away from the military path.

    Confronted with the challenge of a newly emerging Palestinian reality, the international community has, for the most part, taken a pass. While there are important differences in policy, both the U.S. and EU avoid (and in the American case, bar) contacts with the Islamist organisation, deny funding to projects with Hamas-run municipalities, and have threatened to halt assistance to the PA if Hamas joins it. This attitude has had several, essentially negative, results: estranging Palestinians from Western donors; losing touch with an increasingly large segment of the population; jeopardising project sustainability; and reducing accountability. Meanwhile, Hamas has gained strength from a nationalist backlash against perceived foreign interference and is participating in elections without having to fulfil any prior condition.

    Western countries have not done the one thing that might have had a positive impact: try to shape Hamas’s policies by exploiting its clear desire for international recognition and legitimacy. There is every reason for the West to withhold formal dealings at a national level, at least until it renounces attacks against civilians and drops its opposition to a two-state solution, but the current confused approach – boycotting Hamas while facilitating its electoral participation; facilitating its participation without seeking through some engagement reciprocal concessions – makes no sense at all.

    Without conferring immediate legitimacy on Hamas, engaging its national officials or removing it from the terrorism list, the EU in particular – which has more flexibility than the U.S. in this regard – should encourage the Islamists to focus on day-to-day matters and facilitate a process of potential political integration and gradual military decommissioning. With Prime Minister Sharon’s sudden incapacitation, an already impossibly perplexing situation has become more confused still. Using Western economic and political leverage to try to stabilise the Palestinian arena would be far from the worst possible investment.
    The paper in full is here:
    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
    -Bokonon

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    • How about : Only Arafat could negotiate with Isreal

      yes but, what did that actually entail? Rabin's meet with Arafat meant the arrival of Arafat to the Gaza strip and the west bank. There were no resiprocal concrete steps that were made.
      urgh.NSFW

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      • Refusing recognition of a country/government is a de facto declaration of war?!

        Does that mean the US was at war with the USSR in 1917?

        Does that mean every country in the world (with the exception of 3) were at war with the Taliban government of Afghanistan?

        Nah... doesn't work.
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • Originally posted by Az

          How about : Only Arafat could negotiate with Isreal

          yes but, what did that actually entail? Rabin's meet with Arafat meant the arrival of Arafat to the Gaza strip and the west bank. There were no resiprocal concrete steps that were made.
          Didn't the PLO recognize the right of existance of the state of Isreal due to Arafat?
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
            Refusing recognition of a country/government is a de facto declaration of war?!

            Does that mean the US was at war with the USSR in 1917?

            Does that mean every country in the world (with the exception of 3) were at war with the Taliban government of Afghanistan?

            Nah... doesn't work.
            No, Imran. Having a charter that calls for the destruction of the country, having a history of terrorist attacks against the country, AND refusing to alter the charter or recognize the country is a de facto declaration of war. Hamas is now the ruling party of Palestine. If the Republican party platform called for the destruction of... say, Iran... how is that not a "de facto" declaration of war on Iran?

            -Arrian

            p.s. I U.S. was perilously close to war with the USSR in 1917, wouldn't you say?
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • Nitpick: There was no USSR in 1917.
              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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                -Arrian
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • Didn't the PLO recognize the right of existance of the state of Isreal due to Arafat?


                  What were the practical implications of this?
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • im not particularly optimistic about Hamas becoming a normal political movement, though I cant rule it out.

                    I AM more optimistic about something else, that hasnt really been addressed.

                    Fatah becoming a normal political movement. Seems to be a time in opposition, without there hands on the administration, the patronage, or the money of the PA, would be very good for them. Making them a better partner when Hamas falls. Assuming Hamas doesnt manage to ensure their own power forever.

                    I note with hope that most of Fatah seems deadset against any coalition with Hamas. Today there were demonstrations, in which Dahlan was a participant, calling for corrupt Fatah leaders to resign, and for Fatah to stay out of any coalition.
                    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                    • Hamas is now the ruling party of Palestine. If the Republican party platform called for the destruction of... say, Iran... how is that not a "de facto" declaration of war on Iran?
                      Because the leadership of Hamas say that they still have a truce with Israel, and have more or less respected it for the past year (except some rocket attacks in direct retaliation to Israeli attacks on Hamas). And senior members have said that they would accept negotiations with Israel to get pre-'67 borders. Take a look at the article I posted.
                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                      -Bokonon

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                      • Arab League: Hamas will have to recognize Israel
                        "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                        • Originally posted by Ramo


                          Because the leadership of Hamas say that they still have a truce with Israel, and have more or less respected it for the past year (except some rocket attacks in direct retaliation to Israeli attacks on Hamas). And senior members have said that they would accept negotiations with Israel to get pre-'67 borders. Take a look at the article I posted.
                          of course a truce is not a peace. So how about a declaration of "beligerency" rather than war? And of course they could weel acept negotiations to get to borders that matched the pre 67 armistice lines. As a first step. Thats why it was so important to Israel, in Oslo, to get a general recognition of Israel, and a promise to revise the PLO charter.

                          I really cant see Israel giving Hamas more leeway than Rabin gave the PLO, or Bush giving Hamas more leeway than Clinton or Bush elder gave the PLO.
                          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                          • Originally posted by Ramo


                            Because the leadership of Hamas say that they still have a truce with Israel,
                            I wonder if that has anything to do with the way that Hamas and it's leadership were decemated, and they still need to rebuild?


                            And senior members have said that they would accept negotiations with Israel to get pre-'67 borders.
                            That they would accept a 10 year truce if Israel withdraws to the pre-'67 borders...

                            And there are also those Hamas leaders who opposte that.
                            Last edited by Edan; January 27, 2006, 13:56.
                            "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                            • Originally posted by Arrian
                              No, Imran. Having a charter that calls for the destruction of the country, having a history of terrorist attacks against the country, AND refusing to alter the charter or recognize the country is a de facto declaration of war. Hamas is now the ruling party of Palestine. If the Republican party platform called for the destruction of... say, Iran... how is that not a "de facto" declaration of war on Iran?

                              -Arrian

                              p.s. I U.S. was perilously close to war with the USSR in 1917, wouldn't you say?
                              Yeah... um.. no. Having a charter saying you are for the destruction of X and refusing to change that charter is in no way a declaration of war, de facto or otherwise. If they actually attack, then its a de facto declaration of war (even if it isn't de jure). Its kind of like saying that Communist countries had de facto declared war against the US & Western Europe by their declarations that capitalism must be crushed and their revolutionary activity. It doesn't hold water one bit.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                                Yeah... um.. no. Having a charter saying you are for the destruction of X and refusing to change that charter is in no way a declaration of war, de facto or otherwise. If they actually attack, then its a de facto declaration of war (even if it isn't de jure). Its kind of like saying that Communist countries had de facto declared war against the US & Western Europe by their declarations that capitalism must be crushed and their revolutionary activity. It doesn't hold water one bit.
                                So the Cold war was just my imagination? Wow! Thanks Imran...that sheds light on the whole situation!
                                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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