most important poll of all eternity

[Mao]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Sure? I haven't watched many of his Hollywood movies, but from what I have seen he's usually the lead.

He's speaking of how American culture views Asians and Asian-Americans. I do believe he's largely right, for one reason or another, movies in which he is the lead and has a romantic interest don't make it too big here. Also, it's rare that he'll ever have a non-Asian female lead with a romantic relationship.

What about Myth and The Medallion?

Neither of which had Chan with a non-Asian romantic lead. The reverse of this, a non-Asian male and an Asian female romantic interest is often the case, however. Neither of which, either, made a really big splash in America anyway.

[Elok]

I'm not offering Mao, samurai, etc. as models of virility, but as clear examples that Asian men are quite obviously capable of being aggressive and domineering, not quiet and docile or whatever. Kamikaze pilots were not "manly," no, but it obviously took guts.

I also mentioned concubines and hentai not as examples of sexual prowess, whatever that means, but as clear proof that there are and were some really horny guys over there.

And I have no opinion on the attractiveness of the races as a whole, but Ardohain clearly beats Hu for hotness based on the pictures given.

[Dis]

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[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Sure? I haven't watched many of his Hollywood movies, but from what I have seen he's usually the lead.

You're not reading my whole point. Even if they're they lead, they are not the romantic focus. Some I've seen with Chow-Yun Fat, he may be the billed star, but his character is not the central character.

Like Audrey Tatou in l'Auberge Espagnole, he's there to sell the movie, not act in it.

What about Myth and The Medallion?

Myth doesn't count--it's not a Hollywood movie. Medallion I haven't seen. But for every Medallion, there's Rush Hours 1 and 2, Shanghai Noon and a Shanghai Knight.

[Q Classic]

Re: Re: Re: most important poll of all eternity

Originally posted by ajbera
Aww, it ain't that bad. Of Asian women and Hispanic women, which do you generally find more attractive? Really not bigoted at all. Not everyone finds every ethnic group equally attractive (in fact, you're inclined to be more attracted to those of your own ethnicity or race) - it's not bigotry to admit it.

Actually, according to Albert Speer it is.

[Last Conformist]

And, bigotry is OK if you're in denial about it?

[Cyclotron]

It's bigoted to have specific physical tastes in women? How is preferring one ethnicity over another any different from preferring blonde hair over brown hair?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Cyclotron
It's bigoted to have specific physical tastes in women? How is preferring one ethnicity over another any different from preferring blonde hair over brown hair?

One could make the argument that preferring an ethnicity over another taps into buried and submerged biases and impressions based on cultural stereotypes, whereas purely physical traits divorced from ethnic linkages, such as blonde/brunette might not.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
And, bigotry is OK if you're in denial about it?

That's the problem with a thread like this. It's very difficult to assign as loaded term as bigotry to sexual preferences unless there is a very clear pattern of behavior which suggests that the perpetrator finds a certain ethnicity attractive because of pre-conceived ethnic stereotypes.

For instance, It's hard to say that a guy is a bigot and has yellow fever if he's dated just Asian women. However, if he does so because he has internalized cultural stereotypes, and reveals such a bias in his actions and speech, then it becomes easier to label him as such.

That's why I personally have to give everyone the benefit of the doubt at first.

I wouldn't call myself bigoted against African-American women, even if I haven't dated one nor find most attractive. If I avoided them based on notions like, "They're all drug addicts and thugs", however, then you could make a compelling argument.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Q Cubed


One could make the argument that preferring an ethnicity over another taps into buried and submerged biases and impressions based on cultural stereotypes, whereas purely physical traits divorced from ethnic linkages, such as blonde/brunette might not.

Yes, because we don't have stereotypes about how blondes act!

[Q Classic]

Yes, because we don't have stereotypes about how blondes act!

We do. But they're not ethnic stereotypes.

[Last Conformist]

I'd deny that I have ethnic stereotypes about Asians on the grounds that I don't consider Asian to be an ethnicity, but more relevantly, why should it be more acceptable to discriminate based on preconceptions about someone's hair colour than about their ethnicity?

[Mao]

Because there is a lot more baggage with race than with hair color. There are power dynamics at work, race relations, etc. I'd argue that this doesn't really exist for hair color.

Besides, I can change my hair color tomorrow if I wanted. My race, not so much...

[Q Classic]

I figure Asians are closer to an ethnicity than a race, but more relevantly, it's slightly more acceptable because, by and large, discrimination based off of hair color has not historically caused violence or major political and societal friction between groups.

That's just my take on it.

[Kontiki]

While this sociological discussion is fascinating, I think we need more pictures of the beautiful ladies.