New study shows college students lack common skills

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher



I've never said anything about being better than tradespeople. I'm talking about incomes.

Statistically, if you don't go to college you're just gonna make less money.

A guy with 40 years of experience in compsci with a compsci degree will make a lot more money than a guy with 40 years of experience in plumbing as a tradesperson. It's a simple economical argument.

And the income of many tradespeople will outpace the incomes of many in your class at school.

You treat uni, and your discipline, as some sort of measuring stick of worth. You're wrong. There are many people who will earn a great deal more than you or the average of your classmates. Are they worth more?

And I think you are discounting the tradespeople who work for 40 years, end up as masters of their trade, and employ journeymen. Look up PCL Construction.

There are opportunities that you are completely ignorant of, because you simply lack the knowledge of how the world, and our economy, works.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Asher
I'm overqualified for callcentre work.

I doubt it

[Asher]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by notyoueither
You treat uni, and your discipline, as some sort of measuring stick of worth. You're wrong. There are many people who will earn a great deal more than you or the average of your classmates. Are they worth more?

There are opportunities that you are completely ignorant of, because you simply lack the knowledge of how the world, and our economy, works.

You play this "I'm olddd I know better" card way too much.

I just looked up the official stats from the Government of Canada. Tradespeople make considerably less money than those with good degrees. It's a simple statistical fact.

You can squirm all you want about it, and you're right that in your case the degree didn't matter (which goes back to my argument about history undergrads), but that doesn't change the fact that it's absolutely wrong of you to imply that a plumber is going to be making a fortune doing plumbing, relative to other careers with respected university degrees.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Sava
I doubt it

You don't know much of anything in the field, Sava. Didn't you drop out of some shady technical school?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher

You play this "I'm olddd I know better" card way too much.

I just looked up the official stats from the Government of Canada. Tradespeople make considerably less money than those with good degrees. It's a simple statistical fact.

You can squirm all you want about it, and you're right that in your case the degree didn't matter (which goes back to my argument about history undergrads), but that doesn't change the fact that it's absolutely wrong of you to imply that a plumber is going to be making a fortune doing plumbing, relative to other careers with respected university degrees.

I can't help it if you need the snot wiped off your nose.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Asher

You don't know much of anything in the field, Sava. Didn't you drop out of some shady technical school?

No, I was going to DePaul studying Computer Science...

I didn't want to do that though. Programming is

[Asher]

In your old age, you're getting even more transparant.

Yeah, so you wasted your time with a bull**** degree you never used. That doesn't mean everyone else is going to make the same mistake.

If you think plumbers have it made, go be a plumber and get on with it.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Sava
I was going to DePaul studying Computer Science...

I didn't want to do that though. Programming is

So don't program? Computer Science != Programming. Programming is just a very common tool.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Asher

So don't program? Computer Science != Programming. Programming is just a very common tool.

The jobs/career I was looking into required a lot of programming.

None of the other career paths of CompSci or IS interested me...

so I transfered to the junior college to take the gen eds while I figured out what I wanted to do because it was a hell of a lot cheaper than taking gen eds at DePaul...

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher
Here's some figures from the Government of Canada, for Edmonton, Alberta:

http://www.labourmarketinformation.ca/standard.asp?ppid=81&lcode=E&prov=48&gaid=25349&occ=7251&job=&search_key=1&search_type=&employer_potential=&new_search=

Average wage for a plumber is $20.11/hour for an experienced plumber.

http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/asp/gateway.asp?hr=/en/lp/lo/lswe/fw/schedules/alberta/calgary/calgary_swr.shtml&hs=cgp

Fair Wage Schedule
Federal Construction Contracts - Schedule of Wage Rates
for: Alberta: Calgary Zone

as of: January 19, 2004
*Electricians $26.05
*Plumbers $24.15

http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/asp/gateway.asp?hr=/en/lp/lo/lswe/fw/schedules/alberta/edmonton/edmonton_swr.shtml&hs=cgp

Fair Wage Schedule
Federal Construction Contracts - Schedule of Wage Rates
for: Alberta: Edmonton Zone

as of: January 19, 2004

*Electricians $26.45
*Plumbers and related Welders $24.72

[notyoueither]

Higher paid than in Calgary, I see.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher
In your old age, you're getting even more transparant.

Yeah, so you wasted your time with a bull**** degree you never used. That doesn't mean everyone else is going to make the same mistake.

If you think plumbers have it made, go be a plumber and get on with it.

Relax, Asher. I'm not a plumber.

But you should worry too, since with your people skills it is unlikely you will ever make as much as one.

[Asher]

You have to pay people more to work in Edmonton, why else would they work there?

As your own numbers show, which are higher than average, that's not a lot of money. At least, if you think it's a lot of money you've obviously got lower expectations than I do.

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Relax, Asher. I'm not a plumber.

But you should worry too, since with your people skills it is unlikely you will ever make as much as one.

I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?

[notyoueither]

This is a good one.

*Elevator Constructors $35.60