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Originally posted by GePap
Vince has simply said "yeah, I know", and then nothing else.
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Saying you were in the military means nothing. I have an uncle who made it to Sergeant-Mayor.
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its incredible what documents, videos, and tapes can show in relation to the stories some people can tell.
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In short, I am not one to simply accept other's statements of fact unless at the end of the day, they can back them up."And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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Originally posted by Geronimo
The US finished the war in the pacific without a ground invasion of Japan."And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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Originally posted by Destroyer
Okay, here is a different question.
If the Iranians developed a nuclear capability, and sold this onto terrorists, who is to say the target would be America?
Islamic Terrorists have enemies in just about every country on the planet.
What would happen if they nuked Denmark? What would the response be? Denmark has no nuclear capability. What would the US resonse be?
There would also be massive investment world wide in radioactive substance detection and hugely thorough cargo searches until every last stray bomb were uncovered.
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Originally posted by Geronimo
I think all bush would want to "accomplish" would be to make it a logistical impossibility for Iran to build nukes.
Iran is not exactly an easy target, and there are other things it can do.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
It depends on how Iran is proceeding with it. For all we know their plan could have factored in hostile interventions, such as bombing raids.
Iran is not exactly an easy target, and there are other things it can do.
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Originally posted by Geronimo
I countered that we did in fact have thousands of troops occupying the territory next door after having intervened against the serbs in that territory to end the war there. You then started posting about how we didn't have our army entrenched in hostile territory in bosnia because Americans were being killed in Iraq while the opposition in Bosnia wasn't killing americans. I guess this brings us back to your original point which I now need you to clarify. What exactly about our armed forces being in iraq makes an air campaign against Iran impossible that didn't make an air campaign against Serbia impossible when we had our forces occupying Bosnia?
give it up. Bosnia was not hostile. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing. There is an OBVIOUS difference, to even the most uneducated of current event watchers, between Bosnia and Iraq. If you can't see it, then it is pointless to take any respect for anything more you post on this subject.
For now I'm discussing what military options the US administration might be mulling and I find myself convinced they would go for a massive air campaign long before contemplating a ground invasion of Iran with another occupation to follow it.
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Originally posted by NeOmega
Live in your little make believe world of semantics. Insisting ..."pffft... Iraq isn't hostile!" and then trying to argue "Bosnia was hostile!"
give it up. Bosnia was not hostile. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing. There is an OBVIOUS difference, to even the most uneducated of current event watchers, between Bosnia and Iraq. If you can't see it, then it is pointless to take any respect for anything more you post on this subject.
Originally posted by NeOmega
Occupation? Probably not. Ground war, inevitable.
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the point is, and where everything ties together is:
A bombing campaign alone is not an option. It would cause reactions, that would lead to an inevitable ground war, because American troops are right there.... and in a vulnerable position.
Iraq is hostile, not only in the sense of the insurgency, but in the sense that the shiites could very well rise up against America as well, both in terms of actual armed resistance, and by giving intelligence and aid to the inevitable Iranian counter-attack. This is what makes Iraq hostile. The shiite south is a hornets nest, calm right now, but a bombing campaign against Iran would definitely be the metaphorical rock.
The neocons expected a much greater deal of support from the Iraqis. They have gotten complacency, but Iraq is hardly a solid base to defend from.
So would America actually attempt a ground offensive? I don't know. Either way, defensive or offensive, they would have nowhere to hide, nowhere to restock.
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So would America actually attempt a ground offensive? I don't know. Either way, defensive or offensive, they would have nowhere to hide, nowhere to restock.
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Originally posted by Vince278
Riiiiight! There is also documentary evidence that UFOs exist, Jesus had a child, God is real, God is not real, ad nausem. Give everything, even your own beliefs, the same grain of salt that you take everyone else's opinions with.
You know, the way you make an arguement, as opposed to just stating an opinion.
How?If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Originally posted by Sandman
You've got the sea. A naval invasion must be tempting option for military planners, if only for propaganda purposes. Afghanistan and Iraq didn't give the USN a chance to really let rip.
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I realize I'm getting into this one pretty late, and I've not read the entire thread. Has anyone dealt with the theory that Iran is looking for a war with the US? This has surfaced a number of times lately in Canadian coverage of the issue. Today I see that Iran has rejected the Russian proposal to refine Iran's uranium on it's territory.
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I haven't seen it, but it does seem Iran is trying to goad the US into war.
And why not, at any other time, America could beat teh crap out of Iran without much loss, but with our army next door, this is one of the few chances Iran has at really defeating the United States.
I am sure Iran hopes to have nukes before America leaves Iraq.
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