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DanS, could you give us your list of possible GOP contenders?
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It's wide open, as far as I'm concerned. A rarity in the GOP.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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George Allen
Sam Brownback
Bill Frist
Newt Gingrich
Rudy Giuliani
Chuck Hagel
Mike Huckabee
John McCain
George Pataki
Mitt Romney
Tom Tancredo
Haley Barbour
Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney
Elizabeth Dole
Alan Keyes
Tim Pawlenty
Mike Pence
Condoleezza Rice
Mark Sanford
Rick Santorum
These are some mentioned names I pulled off the net. Anyone care to start the pruning process?
The first group was represented as being actively interested.Comment
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Newt Gingrich
grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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you ever hear of Supercession theology, the New Israel, etc? Your ordinary Baptist may not consider himself a Jew, but lots of christian denominations hold to the idea that the Church is the new Israel - a theory, which, religiously, I find repugnant. Again, hasnt impacted my voting behavior.Originally posted by DanS
Different situation entirely. For one, your normal baptist doesn't consider himself a Jew. AFAIK, your normal mormon considers himself a christian."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.†Martin BuberComment
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QFwtfwashethinking?Originally posted by Arrian
Last edited by Kuciwalker; December 15, 2005, 17:17.Comment
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Weirder things have happened in politics.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Could the GOP possibly nominate a muscially inclined Southern Baptist, former chair of the National Governor's Association that hails from Hope, Arkansas?Comment
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Want to bet on that?
REPUB
McCain 28.2
Allen 15.1
Giuliani 14.5
Romney 8.5
Rice 4.8
Frist 4.0
DEMO
H.Clinton 44.0
Warner 18.8
Gore 5.4
Edwards 4.6
Feingold 4.3
Biden 4.2
Bayh 4.1Comment
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The Dems have a vetoproof majority in the MA legislature. And the Gov's office is pretty weak from what I understand (which is why Bill Weld quit the job, and is now carpetbagging in Albany). So Romney had pretty much been a nonissue in terms of governance.
Romney just backed out of a tough reelection fight, which he was probably going to lose, and now the Dems are certainly going to take the office for the first time in a couple decades. wheras, Kaine's victory in VA has been a great boost to Warner's Pres. ambitions, this is going to hurt Romney's cred in the Primaries.
He's also Mormon, so he'll have something of a problem in South Carolina. He's also been flipflopping on social issues to transition from MA to the country.
OTOH, the Dems have been looking into early Western primaries (NV, CO, and AZ in particular). These states have large Mormon populations, and have political views that may be closer to Romney's. So, if the Republicans follow suit, this could be a boost to his chances. He also has Rove's backing from what I've heard.
In terms of political appeal, he's probably somewhere between McCain and Allen. I don't see him winning on the first ballot at the convention, but he could possibly win as a dark horse."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Given his record and his ability to govern Mass as a Republican, he'd probably do quite well in a general election.
But he'd never get out of the GOP primaries alive."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George CarlinComment
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a mormon?
whats next? a jehovah witness?I need a foot massageComment
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My feeling is that McCain will pick up the votes of the Republicans dissatisfied with the current administration, and generally the more moderate wing of the party. The hard right, and most of the money, will go to someone like Allen, who will then emerge as the front runner. Romney, falling in between, will be screwed."Remember, there's good stuff in American culture, too. It's just that by "good stuff" we mean "attacking the French," and Germany's been doing that for ages now, so, well, where does that leave us?" - ElokComment
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Just got this from the Hotline blog:
This is just bizarre.On his Fox News program just moments ago, Neil Cavuto asked the MA Gov about his religion and whether Republican base voters, particularly evangelicals, would accept a Mormon nominee.
Here is Romney's response: "It seems to me that it's only the Democrats that apply a litmus test on religion. Republicans don't apply a litmus test on religion, particularly toward great faiths like my own.... I don't think religion has a role to play in politics [or] in public service. I certainly haven't found it playing a role in Massachusetts and I hope people in my party and the Democratic party choose individuals based on their capabilities and their values."
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I don't follow the other party as closely as I follow my own, so tell me: why George Allen? I mean, I know he's sending out trial baloons, but he has no national profile and is running from the Senate, which I think is going to be very hard in '08 (since he'll probably have voted for everything the Bush administration asked for). I could see him being the default candidate in a messy field, kind of like Dukakis in '88 -- but no one was talking about Dukakis 2 years before the election.
I'm not dismissing him, mind you. I just really don't get it. Can someone who knows GOP party politics enlighten me?
My own gut feeling is that teh GOP needs to run a governor. The current administration has lost huge amounts of credibility on the two core GOP issues: sound national defense and fiscal discipline. Any Republican who's been in Washington for the last few years is going to have to answer for that in a general election. A governor doesn't. But I don't know who the viable candidates are from that pool (though my gut tells me Pataki isn't one of them). Thoughts?"I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George CarlinComment
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