Air marshals shoot would-be bomber

[Dis]

He wasn't even on the friggin' plane!!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/airplane.gunshot/index.html

I can almost understand shooting him if he's on the plane. As time is of the essence there. But on a walkway? You have to be kidding me. Yes I realize he could still kill people if he had a bomb on the walkway, but not nearly that many as on a plane.

[GhengisFarb™]

If the wife was with him, why didn't she say something before the Marshalls shot him?

If you claim to have a bomb and try to get off the plane, you're probably going to get shot.

If you threaten to assassinate the President the Secret Service is going to look into you.

Crazy smazy, that's life.

[Dis]

doesn't mean we have to accept living in a fascist country. We can do things to change that. I guess I could too, but I'm too lazy.

edit: yes I'm exaggerrating. But how long befor we see armed goverment employees everywhere to "protect the public"?

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by Dis
Yes I realize he could still kill people if he had a bomb on the walkway, but not nearly that many as on a plane.

Including the two Marshalls? He said he had a bomb, he made a move for the luggage. It's a no-brainer.

[Asher]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
How long before it becomes known that:

He had a history of Mental Illness?

He was shot in the back?

He did not, in fact, have a bomb?

Doesn't matter. You claim you have a bomb, you disobey orders to drop the bag with the bomb, and you run into an air terminal...you will get shot, as you should.

Good on the marshalls.

[Sava]

well...

I'm on the fence on this one.

I wasn't there, so I won't know for sure.

But it appears as if the police acted properly. They didn't intend to kill him. They shot him after he reached into his bag and he later died from the wound.

If this guy wass so unstable, what the hell was he doing at an airport in this type of climate (terrorism, security scares, etc)? Why wasn't his wife more cogniscent of his condition? Wasn't she aware this type of thing could happen?

Either way, it's just an unfortunate incident.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
How long before it becomes known that:

He had a history of Mental Illness?

He was shot in the back?

He did not, in fact, have a bomb?

Do yourself a favor and stay out of law enforcement.
You truly expect that in the heat of the moment, marshals would stand down while a psychological profile is run on the guy?

Do you not understand that no matter which way he's facing, a detonating explosive has the same effect?

Would you wait and find out that he's lying, and if he's not, have all blown up?

You're a moron, man.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Timexwatch ...That's the kind of thing that can get a guy into trouble, especially on plane flights.

no [kidding] sherlock.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Dis
doesn't mean we have to accept living in a fascist country. We can do things to change that. I guess I could too, but I'm too lazy.

edit: yes I'm exaggerrating. But how long befor we see armed goverment employees everywhere to "protect the public"?

You mean like law enforcement personnel?

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Timexwatch

And his wife needs to be seriously looked at if she let her husband go off his meds. That's the kind of thing that can get a guy into trouble, especially on plane flights.

That and claiming to have a bomb.....

[Sava]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


Do yourself a favor and stay out of law enforcement.
You truly expect that in the heat of the moment, marshals would stand down while a psychological profile is run on the guy?

Do you not understand that no matter which way he's facing, a detonating explosive has the same effect?

Would you wait and find out that he's lying, and if he's not, have all blown up?

You're a moron, man.

Yes, there is something to be said about the pressure of certain situations and things that happen in "the heat of the moment".

But that doesn't mean that law enforcement should get a free pass or that they shouldn't be scrutinized when something like this happens.

The goal should be to analyze the situation and learn from the mistakes so that such things don't happen in the future.

None of us here know the facts. You shouldn't be calling people morons when you yourself don't know any more about the situation in question than he does.

TMV made a valid point. If you disagree with it, fine. But nothing he said demonstrates that he is a moron. You should save that insult for instances when it is deserved. It loses it's meaning if you just throw it around too often.

[reds4ever]

Sava,

Slowws atitude is that a Yank with a gun has a devine right to use it as and when he wants....

[SlowwHand]

No. My point is, hesitation kills.
You people are so busy worrying about one person, you're saying screw everyone else.
Makes no sense, but go on. Be consistent.

A guy says he has a bomb. You have to assume he has a bomb.
Test it out. Go somewhere, anywhere, say you have a bomb. Find out what happens. I'll pass my condolences on to your family after they post what an idiotic thing you did.

And I know about bipolar.
A very dear..friend has it affecting most of her family.
Her brother went off meds. Shot his wife twice with a shotgun, then blew his head off. Mark wasn't bad, but he was off his meds.
You can't force meds down a person's throat.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

guess they shoulda shot him first before he had a chance to get off his meds.

[Footie Mad]

This is really hard to say anything about if you don't see it live or maybe from a video or something. There are so many things that the security personel must interpret and make a decision on in a matter of seconds, body language, appearance of the person, what he says and maybe just gut feeling.

Maybe if it had been another cop there never would have been shots fired, or maybe it was just that kind of situation where it seemed like a super dangerous situation and you had to to your duty.

But whenever someone uses his gun while on duty there should be a routine investigation of the circumstances and actions, if you're given that power to be able to kill someone with the pull off a trigger you should have a very great sense of responsability.