Women are to blame for being raped

[Dis]

Originally posted by monolith94
It's insulting to men that it should be a woman's fault for rape. It infers that we're all essentially animals, unable to reason or control our emotions, or to make conscious choices. Although the libido is a strong instinct, man has the ability to control it.

When anyone blames the victim of a rape, they demean not just women but humanity as a whole.

[Flubber]

This is the quote that got me

One in five people think a woman is partly to blame if it is known she has many sexual partners, .

What rubbish but the continuation of the sentence. . . .

while more than a third believe she is responsible to some degree if she has clearly failed to say "no" to the man.

I don't see the problem-- Assuming a competent person not under duress (ie threatened ), WHY shouldn't they be responsible to say "no"

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Oerdin


That is something of a simplification. I imagine a large number of rapists especially the type that wait in bushes or break into houses are doing it for that reason but then you have the date rape case where everyone has had to much to drink and the chick wakes up the next day regreting what happened and cries rape. That happens more then a little with ethnic minorities like black men who sleep with white women.

Some "date rape" cases get confusing since the guy firmly believes that she was into it and wanting sex as much as him. Add a bit of booze for both and it seems a bit of a double standard to expect that he in his intoxicated state, is supposed to assess whether she was sober enough to give consent. Add a "victim" who seems to participate willingly

Second thoughts is not rape. So you have a guy who "knows " he didn't rape anyone and a girl that "knows" she was raped

The flip side is that a guy can't be blind to the obvious . . . If she says no it DOESN'T mean she really deep down wants to to take the lead.

[Ecthy]

If she said yes it isn't rape.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
If a woman spends an evening in the clubs with a man, lets him buy her dinner and drinks, dresses and talks provocatively, fondles and kisses him and accepts an invitation first to his apartment and then to his bedroom. Where they undress and engage in foreplay, before she changes her mind and says no.

The man, in my opinion, is completely unjustified in proceeding with further advances.

But the woman, certainly, must understand that her actions greately increased the likelihood of having intercourse forced upon her. Does that not make her actions "partially responsible" for rape?

Legally no way-- Rapist scum is still rapist scum and should be punished-- Lack of premeditation may be something that could go to sentencing

As for causality-- You could argue that the events you related did assist in causing the rape . . . The problem is the same logic would apply to a woman being alone in a park, of failing to lock her door or even dressing attractively .. . . All may increase the chance she is victimized

The only thing I would hold a woman responsible for is failing to say "no" .. . and in that case, I can't hold her partially responsible for a rape since in my view no rape occurrs if there is no attempt to communicate a lack of consent.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Dis


Too bad I can't bump my infamous thread . Can a woman rape a man?

How often do women rape? I'd like to see the statistics on this.

yes they can, and I'm going to assume that its fairly infrequent, but that could just be a complete burying of the statistics.

there are a couple of instances of men being raped for the pregnancy and resulting paternity court awards.

Originally posted by Drogue
Well, rape is defined as a forcible penetration of the man's penis into the women. A women cannot penetrate a man, so she cannot rape him.

and then of course there is this, don't think too much about that.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Ecthy
If she said yes it isn't rape.

that's why it's a good idea to video tape your sexual encounters.

[Ecthy]

Actually it isn't rape if she doesn't say no.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Actually it isn't rape if she doesn't say no.

..................unless of course she was in no condition to do so. If both parties were sloshed senseless than it's a toss up.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Az
women are to blame for rape when they are the rapists.

Women can't rape men - FACT

[Mercator]

Originally posted by Drogue
UK Law:

Um, that's not the UK law. This is:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/30042--b.htm

[Agathon]

dp

(no, not "double penetration" you bottom feeders... )

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Dis

Women are never to blame for rape.

Sure they can be. It's just not the sort of blame that diminishes the blame to the other party. Blame is not necessarily a zero sum game.

Same goes for a lot of crimes. If you walk down a notoriously bad street where you know that several muggings have occurred and you can avoid doing so, but you do anyway, then you are partially to blame for what happens to you.

This doesn't diminish the mugger's responsibility at all. It just places a different kind of responsibility (that of being an idiot) on your shoulders.

Most rape victims are completely innocent of blame. There are a few who do really stupid things and get themselves into bad situations in full knowledge of what might happen. There's a definite difference between the two.

[Reader81]

Originally posted by Traianvs


ottok is back??

seriously man what age do you live in...

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove

..................unless of course she was in no condition to do so. If both parties were sloshed senseless than it's a toss up.

If BOTH are truly sloshed senseless, I have always thought it a bit paternalistic to say the guy has to ascertain the sobriety and consent of the woman.

Convictions in such situations are tough to acheive, even if the facts are such that she did say no and some force was used. Its tough to convict when the main witness may have been blacking out during much of the crime.