Why on Earth is Joe Biden thinking of running for President (again)?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ninot
Joe Biden, America's greatest man.

[Verto]

I'm wooed already.

[lord of the mark]

hes just doing that to suck up to Howard Dean

[Arrian]

W, despite his willingness to spend money on education, was more 'right wing" than any GOP nominee since Goldwater. And he was a weak speaker, with many widely recognized difficulties as a leader. He SHOULD have been mincemeat.

Yes. In a sane, rational world, he would've been. But we do not live in that world.

-Arrian

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by flash9286
Come on Kuci when you drive under the influence your putting a random and innocent person in danger, DUI is hell of a lot worse.

Driving under the influence can have worse effects.

Plagiarising says worse things about the person.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Driving under the influence can have worse effects.

Plagiarising says worse things about the person.

wow, I completely disagree

while intellectual dishonesty is bad and definitely cheating, not to mention stealing... it does not come close to drunken driving/DUI

not even close... not even in the same ballpark... NOT EVEN THE SAME SPORT

your moral compass needs adjusting

[Kuciwalker]

Driving drunk is more often the result of negligence or stupidity than maliciousness or deceitfulness. Plagiarism (unless it really is a technicality like messed up citations or whatever) indicates that someone is consciously deceitful.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Neil Kinnock was trying to move the UK Labour Party to the center, away from its disastrous political position. Biden was trying to do the same for the Democrats.

Lots of high-profile people are trying to move the Dems to the center: Edwards, Warner, Richardson, Bayh, Vilsack, and, yes, Dodd and Reid, for example. What all these people have in common is that they seem to doing it either because they appear strongly to believe in the correctness of moderate positions or that such positions are best for the party, or both. What they also have in common is that they all bring something to the table the Dems need: either being successful Dems in Red- or Swing-states (everyone but Dodd) or being successful state executives (Warner, Richardson, Bayh and Vilsack), or being successful at imposing party discipline on the unruly dems (Dodd and Reid).

Biden brings nothing to the table. Nothing. If anything, he has even less hope than he did in 88, because he'll be running against one or more candidates with way more media buzz (Clinton, maybe Bayh or Warner, maybe even Feingold) and nothing he's said or done is going to inspire legions of true believers (a la Dean or, to some extent, Clark, in 2004), which is the only way to counter media buzz. He will be 2008's Leiberman, but without the advantage of name recognition. I repeat: What the hell is he thinking?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Driving drunk is more often the result of negligence or stupidity than maliciousness or deceitfulness. Plagiarism (unless it really is a technicality like messed up citations or whatever) indicates that someone is consciously deceitful.

Lots of people get ridiculously drunk... myself included (although not often). Lots of people do stupid things while they are drunk... myself included.


Driving drunk is not negligence. And stupidity is not an excuse. It is a heinous and reprehensible criminal act that kills thousands of people per year.

Yes, plagiarism is deceitful.

BUT PLAGIARISM DOES NOT KILL PEOPLE KUCI!!!

That is a fact you seem to be ignoring about this whole thing.

Maybe if we were comparing premeditated murder that involved deceitfulness, you would have a leg to stand on.

Here's an idea. Why don't you go to a funeral of a drunken-driving victim. Bring along someone who is proven to have committed plagiarism.

Get in front of the family of the victim and tell them the person who committed plagiarism is worse than the drunk driver.

See if they agree with you!



sometimes I wonder about you Kuci

[Ninot]

Kuci likes waffles.

You know who else likes waffles?

America's next President, JOE BIDEN!


Please note that there are no waffles in this picture at all, but Joe Biden has assuredly eaten waffles

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava


Lots of people get ridiculously drunk... myself included (although not often). Lots of people do stupid things while they are drunk... myself included.

Quite my point.

Driving drunk is not negligence. And stupidity is not an excuse. It is a heinous and reprehensible criminal act that kills thousands of people per year.

Well, actually it is, particularly if you kill someone. You can be charged with negligent homicide.

Yes, plagiarism is deceitful.

BUT PLAGIARISM DOES NOT KILL PEOPLE KUCI!!!

So? I'm talking about what it says about the person that does it - which is all I care about, in a political candidate.

That is a fact you seem to be ignoring about this whole thing.

Maybe if we were comparing premeditated murder that involved deceitfulness, you would have a leg to stand on.

Here's an idea. Why don't you go to a funeral of a drunken-driving victim. Bring along someone who is proven to have committed plagiarism.

Get in front of the family of the victim and tell them the person who committed plagiarism is worse than the drunk driver.

See if they agree with you!



sometimes I wonder about you Kuci

You are so completely missing the point.

[flash9286]

So? I'm talking about what it says about the person that does it - which is all I care about, in a political candidate.

Driving under the influence that the candidate, 1) has no respect for his own life or others, 2) is irresponsible.

[Kuciwalker]

3) was a teenager

Anyway, I'd rather those in a politician than calculated deceit.

[flash9286]

Bush was 30 when he plead guilty to DUI.

[Kuciwalker]

So what?

Do you think DUI has any influence on someone's qualifications for government? Plagiarism has a direct connection; a DUI does not.