Why on Earth is Joe Biden thinking of running for President (again)?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Remember, when Biden last ran, he was IIRC the frontrunner until it was discovery that he got onto Law Review in law school by plegorizing a paper. But that moral slip pales in comparisons to W's DUIs.

No it doesn't. That's a hell of a lot worse.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
appeal in "some fashion" well then why did you say 1992, you could have said since 1976. Dukakis certainly had appeal to some moderates - he had developed a positive approach to business, which he believed was the root of the Massachusetts miracle, and in fact took moderate views on other issues as well, and chose Lloyd Bentsen as his VP candidate. In 1984 Walter Mondale ran to the right of Gary Hart on national security. Jimmy Carter ran originally as a moderate and was anathema to the left (remember ABC - anybody but Carter? I do) Every Dem candidate from 1976 on has had SOME appeal to moderates, as well as SOME appeal to the left. I assumed Sikander meant something more substantive than a non-zero appeal, though that would be the literal meaning of "some"

Okay, how abour "appeal enough to win or nearly win elections?" Since neither Mondale or Dukakis really came close (lost in landslides), while both Clinton and Gore garnered more votes and Kerry only lost by a hair.

Mondale and Dukakis are seen as "old school liberals," hence their big losses in a country post-Reagan revolution. Clinton, Gore and Kerry are certainly not liberals in the same mold (for better or worse).

And going back to Carter is also not really helpful, since anyone can see the political landscape of the country has changed dramatically since 1976, not quite so much since 1992.

[Boris Godunov]

That's not quite what happened with Biden. He was shown to have plagarized stuff in his speeches initially, including lifting from RFK. Later, the stuff about the law review came out. His explanation was actually not so bad--he had given a footnote citation, but had used a lot more of the legal article than his footnote would indicate. He said it was because he was unaware of the standards for citing sources and using quotes. I'm not sure if he's being honest, but that's certainly not a terrible explanation, given I've seen people make dumber mistakes.

He got an F on the paper, anyway, so it's not as if it helped him get his law degree.

[Ninot]

not entirely related, but im curious.

You know how its been shown that in Bush'es public appearances and talks with the common man, usually the crowd or common man has bene prepped with what questions will be asked and what to say and how to react? You know, basically assuring that the entire event is staged?

Have democrats been proven to apply this as well? Or do they generally take whatever's coming?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Okay, how abour "appeal enough to win or nearly win elections?" Since neither Mondale or Dukakis really came close (lost in landslides), while both Clinton and Gore garnered more votes and Kerry only lost by a hair.

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Ronald Reagan was a much more appealing candidate than W, in many ways. And George Bush senior was seen as a moderate. W, despite his willingness to spend money on education, was more 'right wing" than any GOP nominee since Goldwater. And he was a weak speaker, with many widely recognized difficulties as a leader. He SHOULD have been mincemeat. That he was not is tribute to the problems of the Dem candidates. Some of that is personal, but not all is. Gore was forced (or thought he was forced) to run away from Clinton because of Monicagate - he didnt have to run as far away from Clintonism as he did - whether that played a role in his defeat is impossible to prove. Kerry fell between the Dem party factions on the key issue of Iraq, an important issue to SWING voters.

[Boris Godunov]

Hell, Bush made people attending his rallies during the election sign "loyalty oaths."

[lord of the mark]

the attack on bides "plagiarism" in his speeched was BS, as a "moral" issue. Whos the victim of plagiarism - the guy whos plagiarized. Did anyone in their right mind think Neil Kinnock minded that Biden borrowed from his speach? (i dont recall any issue about RFK)

Neil Kinnock was trying to move the UK Labour Party to the center, away from its disastrous political position. Biden was trying to do the same for the Democrats.

[flash9286]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


No it doesn't. That's a hell of a lot worse.

Come on Kuci when you drive under the influence your putting a random and innocent person in danger, DUI is hell of a lot worse.

[Sava]

Originally posted by flash9286


Come on Kuci when you drive under the influence your putting a random and innocent person in danger, DUI is hell of a lot worse.

Just one person?


also... you're



plus, if they are random... how do you know they are innocent?

it could be OJ Simpson that gets killed because of Kuci's drunken driving

YOU NEVER KNOW!!!

[flash9286]

OJ was innocent remember

[Sava]

Originally posted by flash9286
OJ was innocent remember

perhaps found innocent of criminal charges

but maybe you missed the results of the civil trial

[flash9286]

I was being sarcastic

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[Sava]

Originally posted by flash9286
I was being sarcastic

REALLY?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!!??!?

[Ninot]

Joe Biden, America's greatest man.