US, not africans, responsible for slavery

[GePap]

Oh, kitty is miffed

Funny stuff about the arguements thought. Have you ever made one, actually? Can't say I remember. I thought your role here was a backup for kuci, maybe some look at me threads, that sort of thing. You know, regular sidekick stuff.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Jaguar

If only you could make cogent arguments as easily as you make stale jokes.

So says the prepubescent libertarian...

[Kuciwalker]

Jaguar is neither prepubescent nor a libertarian...

[GePap]

Oh, 'batman' comes to 'robin's aide! BRAVO

[Fake Boris]

[JohnT]

Re: US, not africans, responsible for slavery

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
I remain incredulous that so many people try to mitigate the responsibility for slavery by making assertions like, "Most slaves were captured and sold by their countrymen."

The act of buying and keeping a slave demonstrates a belief in the justification of slavery. The moral responsibility remains, unmitigated, with the people who bought and kept slaves.

There would not have been a slave trade if not for the demand created by the US. It's not like some Africans captured others, and went door to door in the US convincing people to try their great new product.

The US had a Constitution, prepared by educated people, which they duly ignored.

In Africa, some tribes captured members of other tribes, usually ancestral enemies, and sold them to slave traders. They were stone age people living by a stone age creed. They were not selling their "countrymen", they were eliminating their ancestral rivals, in a manner consistent with what virtually all ancient and most Medieval peoples practiced during times of conflict.

It is sad that it is so hard for Americans to say, "This was an era of our history that we are not proud of."

Every nation has done things they are not proud of.

Canada has had many shameful dealings with its aboriginal populations, and interred innocent Canadian citizens of Japanese descent during WW II, stealing their assets in the process.

Dude, the "slave trade" started 250 years prior to there being a US.

Try again. This time, with a modicum of logic.

[Fake Boris]

Logic according to JohnT: "The French kings were already burning Jews in Paris in the 13th century. Therefore the Holocaust is their fault".

[Mrs. Tuberski]

i was going to mention that the us didnt have a constitution at the time slavery started here, hell it wasnt even a country but i see john T and others have made that statement. You can blame the us for allowing this horror to continue, but you cant blame the us for starting this.
I have one more comment to this thread and for all you canadians dont take this as a bash it is not, but a mere observation that has been brought to my attention. As far as i know the canadian still treat the native americans very badly, From what i have been told by some of your fellow candaians down in the states working, you guys dont even take reponsibility for the horrendous treatment of these indians, rather turn the tables and refer to the lot of them as thieves and criminals robbing the goverment and the folks that live there.

[GePap]

Wait, American treatment of Native Americans was better?

Personally I find the fact that the US was almost one of the last republics to ban slavery in the western world depressing. I find it depressing that millions of blacks would have had freedom sooner had the 13 colonies remained in the British Empire than they did after the US fought for for independence on the theory of indvidual rights. I find it sad the freaking Tsars of Russia abolished serfdom before the slaves of the southern states got their freedom affirmed legally, thought neither group benefited as much from the end of their legal servitude as they thought they would.

To me the great shame was that in the name of property rights the UNited States allowed millions to be slaves.

And I find it sad that people have to try to explain that away with all sorts of utterly irrelevant statements.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

I didnt say the us treatment of the indains was great, The fact of the matter is that was a back whne the country was being made up. The incidents with the indians in canda is going on now not 50 years ago.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
I didnt say the us treatment of the indains was great, The fact of the matter is that was a back whne the country was being made up. The incidents with the indians in canda is going on now not 50 years ago.

The treatment of Native Americans by the Buro of Indian Affairs was a travesty for decades, and its still pretty sad. After all, after this country forced them into reservations, the Fedeal government ran their lives, and a piss poor job it did anyways. I doubt that NA in Canada are any worst off than those in the US, unless one considers states allowing the revenue stream from legalized gambling to somehow make up for the shameful running of the preservations.

[GePap]

And on the OP:

It is beyond ludicrous toblame the US for slavery beginning, or being around. It is 100% proper to blame Americans for partaking in it, and continuing it longer than most Western States.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Ge pap isnt it possible that they United states was having a few of internal problems such as the revolutinary war and the civil war to even address the issue of slavery? I do believe it was almost right after the civil war that slavery was abolished. i am rusty on my history but if i recall the civil war had a lot to do with one part of the country wanting to rid the country of slavery.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
It is beyond ludicrous toblame the US for slavery beginning, or being around. It is 100% proper to blame Americans for partaking in it, and continuing it longer than most Western States.

Well that really isn't the arguement put forth in the troll.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

You are correct as far as the indians here in the us however these folks arent forced to live on reservations any longer. Most of the ones in canada are still forced to live on the reserves. They are on goverment assistance and the likes and the other citizens and govmt have continued to treat them very badly. This doesnt happen in the united states anymore. This country is so racilly mixed its hard to tell whats what and who is who