Export of Democracy to Iraq

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by binTravkin

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Terrorists are everywhere, they do not have any particular hidingplace.

Why you don't just kill the entire [other] world to ensure that there is no terrorist threat?

That would be pretty much a new way of 'obtaining a living space' or Lebensraum if you wish..

Yeah if they dont fly the red white and blue - there just terrorists now or in the making. Kill em all and God bless us.



or maybe there is a better way to 'make friends and influence them' ?

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by binTravkin
The idea that I said so indicates a total lack of reading skills on your part.

Oh really?

No, US is not worse than other past war criminals (Hitler, Stalin and even Saddam Hussein himself), but you should note it's also no better, meaning that while most past 'war crimes' have been done either with little public appeal (read Hussein, Stalin) or within light of uber-rascistic fanatism (read Hitler), US is doing it with approval of nation.

Your reading skills, since they are so excellent, will surely enable you to realize that, in this gem of yours, you are saying the US (collectively, I suppose) is a war criminal, meaning that it has committed war crimes.

Let's move on. From the original poster:

When some US citizens get killed - it is terrorism
when civilians in other countries get killed - it is colateral damage.

The original poster is here pointing out that the killing of civilians is terrorism, while if it is done by the US it is collateral damage. Thus, he proposes that they are different terms for the same things. This is also known as terrorism equating to collateral damage.

I called him an idiot, and you? Well...

If you call him so because he dared to post such an obvious thing, I fully agree with you!

So, you are here saying that it is obvious that terrorism equates to collateral damage.

Which brings us to:

Your accusation of war crimes, however, is totally without merit, and the idea that terrorism equates to collateral damage and vice versa indicates a colossal lack of understanding on your part.

Which is correct - you both accused the US of War Crimes, and equated terrorism with collateral damage.

So please point out to me where exactly my reading skills went awry, hmm?

[Arrian]

[Zedd]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Markos, can we remove the link to the OT from the main forum page for a while, so all the annoying newbies don't jump in?

I asume this is a shot at me?

I fall into the "long time listener first time caller" catagory, love the thread. But when someone wants to start bashing the US and painting us as maniacal killers I get a bit ticked off, and it seems that quite a few here agree with the sentiment.

Originally posted by Kuciwalker No

Edited with apologies to Kuciwalker.

[Zedd]

Originally posted by Sikander


When Muslims fly aircraft into buildings, bomb mosques just as prayers are over, set off car bombs in Karbala during their religious festivals, murder civilians simply because of their ethnicity or religion etc. it is terrorism.

When insurgents kill thousands by indiscriminate (and sometimes purposeful) use of explosives close to innocent civilians (though aimed directly at regime or foreign forces) it is walking the edge between legitimate warfare and war crimes.

When the U.S. risks the lives of its own soldiers to limit civilian casualties it is called the honorable thing to do.

Well put, and much more elloquently put than my own outburst.

[Mart]

Word "crime" is connected to word "law"
If the use of incendiary compunds is not banned in the US then this matter is questionable. Some people would not consider it crime then, unless regulated by law.

However, I do not think that anyone is going to convince me, that if some groups of people in Iraq kill each other, that gives right to another country to kill even more people, especially bystanders, by burning them in this way.

I think that it is much better for the US to sign appropriate conventions at this time. And first and foremost: stop using any incendiary weapons. It will only turn out for good for the US. I observe how much damage recent wars made for the United States because of the way these wars are handled and I think, that it is less and less time to fix things. some things are made by few - a commander not abiding regulations or simple common sense of humane conduct. Although, this is that the whole nation will suffer consequences later.

About colateral damage and terrorism.
Why do you think Allies during second world war were bombing industrial centers in Nazi Germany? Who calls them terrorists today? Bombs were killing civilians then too. Often they were prisoner workers from conquered countries. So even bombs were dropped on own countrymen or allies. So when killing civilians is ok, and when it is not ok? Have a broader view on this. Think about it, you may go into philosophical issues here, but you may come to interesting conclusions.

The more Iraqis die today, the more hatred will be created. Place yourself in shoes of such people there, who were just living in a city where an insurection errupted. Imagine you lost someone from your family, coz occupation forces decided to use incendiary weapons and did not care that more will die as colateral damage. Are you surprised that some of such people later take weapons and go and kill? I am not.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Markos, can we remove the link to the OT from the main forum page for a while, so all the annoying newbies don't jump in?

Kuci

SMAXers

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Zedd
I asume this is a shot at me?

No.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by laurentius
Kuci

SMAXers

It's CIVer's that I'm worried about.

[laurentius]

CIVers? The people drawn in by the Civ 4? Oh please, stop acting like a vet kiddo..OTers are mostly way more intelligent than anyone posting here regularly.

[Kuciwalker]

OT = on-topic or off-topic?

And while there are plenty of intelligent on-topic posters. it takes a while to sort them out from the billion newbies.

[Cyclotron]

I wonder if binTravkin will have his DL post here - his original login got too pwned to have any credibility

[Drake Tungsten]

Why you don't just kill the entire [other] world to ensure that there is no terrorist threat?

That would be pretty much a new way of 'obtaining a living space' or Lebensraum if you wish..

Let's do it.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Markos, can we remove the link to the OT from the main forum page for a while, so all the annoying newbies don't jump in?

[Odin]

The person who ordered the use of that stuff to kill people deserves to be tossed in jail for war crimes. We used CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON CIVILIANS? My God, my God...