This is such BS.

[flash9286]

I remember here in my home state, North Carolina, we had an pastor that kicked out 9 members because they supported John Kerry. Funny I don't remember the IRS saying anything about that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/07/AR2005050700972.html

[Winston]

Originally posted by BlackCat


You just lost those blondine pics I was thinking about to post in your bd thread.

I take it back, take it back!

BlackCat sleeps in on Sundays and he only kneels to tie his shoelaces!

Um.. he only celebrates Christmas on leap years. Yeah.

He even goes Easter bunny hunting just to be on the safe side, and his soul is practically dead. It was coughing up blood last night.

[SlowwHand]

But that doesnt change the fact that most of the founding fathers werent exactly puritans from Massachewsets.

No they didn't sail from there or the way it's spelled.
That's a hard damn name.
They came from England.

I do see part of the problem on communicating about religion.
If one has soley seen "conservative" churches, as opposed to my denomination that makes donations heavily to Network Of Community Ministies (food for the disadvantaged), rebuilds homes in Mexico, etc. , I can see how that would turn a person off.

There are difference in religions. This is true.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by flash9286
I remember here in my home state, North Carolina, we had an pastor that kicked out 9 members because they supported John Kerry. Funny I don't remember the IRS saying anything about that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050700972.html

Well, that only proves that there are some kind of humanity lleft in taxation people - they only attack when they has support from above. (I guess that you missed the part where IRS attacked anticlintons - deliberatedly )

[Dinner]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong. Mayflower brought Puritans.
They came over religious freedoms.

The puritans founded the USA?!

And here I was thinking it was the founding fathers who nearly all believed in the principles of the enlightment so much that they enshrined them in the declaration of independence and the constitution.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Glad to see that IRS are hitting hard on religious organisations that start to act politically.

In no way religion has a place in politics.

The whole point was the church wasn't involved in politics but was stressing traditional Christian beliefs. See post 2. The administration didn't like those beliefs and is now going after them. Unfortunately, conservative churches routinely abuse this law yet the administration never seems to go after them.

Clearly the administration is playing ideological favorites and that isn't right.

[GePap]

Jamestown beat the Pilgrim settlers by 20 years. This country was founded as a way to make money for the English crown, and for the people living there, of course.

HOw dare we let filthy faith tarnish lovely wealth

[Ted Striker]

Don't worry Oerdin, Bush and Cheney's own church has just called for the US to pull out of Iraq.

Last week, the United Methodist Church Board of Church and Society--the social action committee of the church that both President Bush and Vice President Cheney belong to--resoundingly passed a resolution calling for withdrawal with only two 'no' votes and one abstention.

"As people of faith, we raise our voice in protest against the tragedy of the unjust war in
Iraq," the statement read. "Thousands of lives have been lost and hundreds of billions of dollars wasted in a war the United States initiated and should never have fought.... We grieve for all those whose lives have been lost or destroyed in this needless and avoidable tragedy. Military families have suffered undue hardship from prolonged troop rotations in Iraq and loss of loved ones. It is time to bring them home."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20...enation/731572;_ylt=A86.I2X1f2ZDslAAuBj9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMT Q4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong. Mayflower brought Puritans.
They came over religious freedoms.

Gepap took the words out of my mouth. Jamestown was first, people!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong. Mayflower brought Puritans.
They came over religious freedoms.

And the those same European colonists who fled religious persecution repeated it among themselves once they founded colonies in North America:

witch hunts

expulsion of Christians who were not of the dominant denomination in a particular colony

burning at stake and forced conversions of Amerindians

prohibiting black slaves from praticing their own beliefs (except they could attend services strictly supervised by white authorities)


You really should read up on American history.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Oerdin


The puritans founded the USA?!

And here I was thinking it was the founding fathers who nearly all believed in the principles of the enlightment so much that they enshrined them in the declaration of independence and the constitution.

Founding father's of the constitution were not the initial developers of this country.
You're talking about like Jefferson who got a slave girl preggers. Ok.


And Mr Fun, give me a break.
Burning at the stake was due to ignorance. Not stupidity, ignorance.
What they were calling witches were people with things like epilepsy.
Don't go putting yourself above me. I know history.
I didn't major in it, but that doesn't mean I don't know it.
I know enough to know that the Black slaves were sold by their countrymen.
And let's not forget Native Americans.
Again, there were more of them than Black. Opposing tribes sold them off. So don't elevate them too high.
We've done this conversation so many times.
Roll those eyes.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


Founding father's of the constitution were not the initial developers of this country.
You're talking about like Jefferson who got a slave girl preggers. Ok.


And Mr Fun, give me a break.
Burning at the stake was due to ignorance. Not stupidity, ignorance.
What they were witches were people with things like epilepsy.
Don't go putting yourself above me. I know history.
I didn't major in it, but that doesn't mean I don't know it.
I know enough to know that the Black slaves were sold by their countrymen.
We've done this conversation so many times.
Roll those eyes.

First -- the history that you learned in the 1950s was, for most part, nothing but comical/tragic distortions.

Second -- your statement about Africans enslaving other Africans is besides the point, here. I'm talking about freedom of religion -- or lack of -- in part of America's past.

[Mao]

To totally be off-topic here, I'm curious as to how many Africans were actually sold by their "countrymen?" The way I understood it, it was usually that one tribe/society/whatever (I don't think they exactly qualified as a nation or state) would initiate wars, capture slaves, and then sell their slaves to slave traders. If this is true, then it wasn't their countrymen that was selling them, unless somehow all of Africa is one "country." I'd be curious to know if my beliefs were misled, however.

[SlowwHand]

You are such a dumbfuk. 50's? I should b1tch slap you over that one. :lol

Read a recent book. Says the same thing as when I went to school in the 30's.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Says the same thing as when I went to school in the 30's.

Yeah sure -- I believe that.