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  • This is such BS.

    A liberal church in Pasadena is going to be losing its tax exempt status because of an anti-war sermon given a few days before the Nov 2004 election. I'm all for keeping religion out of politics but it is bull**** that Southern Baptists can openly endorse Bush without anything happening and the Catholic Church can tell people they must repent for voting for Kerry yet nothing ever happens to them. Why is it only churches which don't endorse Bush get the axe? Clearly, we have a double standard and the administration is abusing its authority.

    Pasadena church could lose tax-exempt status for anti-war sermon

    PASADENA, Calif. (AP) -- Worshippers at a prominent liberal church were told that the Internal Revenue Service has warned that the church could lose its tax-exempt status because of an anti-war sermon that a former rector delivered two days before the 2004 presidential election.

    In his sermon, the Rev. George F. Regas did not urge parishioners at All Saints Episcopal Church to support either George Bush or his opponent, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. But he was sharply critical of the Iraq war and Bush's tax cuts.

    The IRS in a June 9 letter warned the church that its tax-exempt status was in jeopardy because the federal tax code prohibits such organizations from intervening in political campaigns and elections. The church's current rector, J. Edwin Bacon, told his congregation about the problem on Sunday.

    "It's important for everyone to understand that the IRS concerns are not supported by the facts," he told the congregation.

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    An IRS spokesman in Washington, D.C., declined comment Monday, saying the law prohibits him from discussing particular cases.

    The IRS has revoked a church's charitable designation at least once. A church in Binghamton, N.Y., lost its status after running advertisements against Bill Clinton's candidacy shortly before the 1992 presidential election.

    Some All Saints members and officials said they feared the politically active, 3,500-member church was being singled out. Churches across California on Sunday took stands on both sides of Proposition 73, which would bar abortions for minors unless parents are notified.

    "The question is, is it politically motivated?" said Joe Mirando, an engineer from Burbank. "That's the underlying feeling of everyone here."

    Marcus Owens, the church's tax attorney and a former head of the IRS tax-exempt section, said he doubts that's the case.

    "I think it is more a case of senior management at IRS not paying attention to what the rules are," he said.

    Owens wrote in an October letter to the IRS that "it seems ludicrous to suggest that a pastor cannot preach about the value of promoting peace simply because the nation happens to be at war during an election season."

    He said the IRS recently offered to drop the proceedings if the church admitted wrongdoing. The church declined the offer, he said.
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    This is the key part which highlights the abuses of the Bush administration:

    In his sermon, the Rev. George F. Regas did not urge parishioners at All Saints Episcopal Church to support either George Bush or his opponent, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. But he was sharply critical of the Iraq war and Bush's tax cuts.
    Instead the sermon simply said war was wrong and Christians were not supposed to support people who lead the country into unnecissary wars. That seems to be well founded in Christian theology. Several conservative Christian groups do far, far worse then this and openly flaunt the law yet the administration never brings charges. Only the liberal churches get hit with them.
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    • #3


      This is pathetic.

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      • #4
        I don't think a church should be coerced.
        I could see this coming though when the stinks were being made about religion on government property.
        Separation works both ways.
        I disagree with what's happened on each end.
        The USA was founded on religious principles.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          What the Hell is a 'liberal church'? Churches shouldn't be politicized or what you call it. If they want to keep tax excempt status, they stick to activities conforming with the requirements. End of story.

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            Sounds pretty fascistic to me.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by SlowwHand
              The USA was founded on religious principles.
              No it wasn't, it was founded on the principles of the ENLIGHTENMENT! Most of the founding fathers weren't that religious, and many were Deists. Who cares what the founding fathers thought, anyway; they thought blacks and women were inferior, after all. What they thought has no relavence to modern society.

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              • #8
                Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong. Mayflower brought Puritans.
                They came over religious freedoms.
                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Winston
                  What the Hell is a 'liberal church'? Churches shouldn't be politicized or what you call it. If they want to keep tax excempt status, they stick to activities conforming with the requirements. End of story.
                  Liberal churches tend to support things like gay rights and women as priests while conservative churches do not. Liberal churches also stress things like caring for the needy through collective action while conservative churches stress individual acts of charity.

                  That's why you'll see liberal churches upset over cuts to social services for the poor while conservative churches will often cheer such cuts.
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                  • #10
                    I attend a Methodist Church. I have no idea what the minister's political beliefs are, but I do know that last 2 organists were Gay.
                    Mike Green, the first one, unfortunately...died. Yes.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #11
                      Thanks.

                      Being from a society with a state church which includes ~90% of the populace, this concept of liberal and conservative persuasions was unknown to me.

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                      • #12
                        Glad to see that IRS are hitting hard on religious organisations that start to act politically.

                        In no way religion has a place in politics.
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                        Steven Weinberg

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SlowwHand
                          Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong. Mayflower brought Puritans.
                          They came over religious freedoms.
                          mayflower predates the constitution by quite a bit.

                          But that doesnt change the fact that most of the founding fathers werent exactly puritans from Massachewsets.

                          America WASN"T founded on Jesus.
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                          • #14
                            I bet even BlackCat is a member, despite his eternal rantings on the topic.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Winston
                              I bet even BlackCat is a member, despite his eternal rantings on the topic.
                              You just lost those blondine pics I was thinking about to post in your bd thread.
                              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                              Steven Weinberg

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