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    Thursday, 20 October 2005, 15:32 GMT 16:32 UK

    Countries turn backs on Hollywood

    Unesco member states have formally voted to support their own film and music industries against globalisation. The United Nations cultural body voted in favour of a cultural diversity convention, backed by France, Canada and the UK. The US had said the "deeply flawed" convention could be used to block the export of Hollywood films and other cultural exports. The vote follows French moves to protect its film and music industries.

    Strict quotas

    France already awards large subsidies to its own film, music, theatre and opera industries to support its cultural heritage. It also imposes strict quotas on the level on non-French material broadcast on radio and television.

    The new convention on cultural diversity aims to recognise the distinctive nature of cultural goods and services. It enables countries to take measures to protect what it describes as "cultural expressions" that may be under threat. The majority of Unesco's 191 member states voted for the convention. Britain's representative to Unesco, Timothy Craddock, said the wording was "clear, carefully balanced, consistent with the principles of international law and fundamental human rights". But it was opposed by the US, which said the convention was unclear and open to wilful misinterpretation.

    French culture minister Renaud Donnedieu de Vabres said nations had a right to set artistic quotas because 85% of the world's spending on cinema tickets went to Hollywood.
    [AS: So that's what cultural diversity is!]

    The US suggested 28 amendments to the convention, which were almost unanimously rejected by Unesco delegates. It was feared that Thursday's vote could isolate the US, which rejoined Unesco in 2003 after a 19-year absence. The convention will need to be ratified by 30 member states in order to take effect.

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    Isn't it odd that so many countries oppose intellectual property provisions because they would restrict the free flow of information, but are willing to restrict the free flow of "cultural exports", whatever those are?
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    I find nothing wrong with subsidizing cultural arts. However, restricting other countries' cultural arts from coming in because of protection of culture?! WTF! Isn't the UN supposed to promote internationalism instead of parochialism?
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    • #3
      Canada can hold itself up as a trailblazer now.
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      • #4
        The UN is supposed to promote the collective self interest of the majority of its members.
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        • #5
          F*ck this. For once, there's an issue in which the US and Israel are in it against the world - and are right. Let's be clear on this: if your people spent millions to see some Hollywood crap, it's their own damn fault. Don't take it out on us, we're just selling it.

          And furthermore, it's not like moviemaking is part of Great French Culture - I don't recall a time when the French silver screen was the pride of Europe, or something. Hollywood isn't displacing anything that was already there.
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          • #6
            Isn't it odd that so many countries oppose intellectual property provisions because they would restrict the free flow of information, but are willing to restrict the free flow of "cultural exports", whatever those are?
            No.

            Edit: Many countries have millions dead or dying of AIDS - I don't think they're interested in the 'free flow' as much as saving lives.
            Last edited by Sandman; October 20, 2005, 15:43.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cyclotron
              And furthermore, it's not like moviemaking is part of Great French Culture - I don't recall a time when the French silver screen was the pride of Europe, or something.
              I think it was before WWII.
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              • #8
                Any ppl wonder why we hate the French

                and Canada

                The UK just wants to go to the convention
                Monkey!!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  I think it was before WWII.
                  Rats. Have I just made a fool of myself?

                  Ah, well. French cinema still continues, and some of it is quite good - I don't know what they're compaining about. Sounds like common greed to me.
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                  • #10
                    The French hate American (and anyone elses for that matter) culture. The hate foreigners and anything that they have to do with.
                    Monkey!!!

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                    • #11
                      Does this mean we are gonna rename Amelie a "Freedom Film"?
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                      • #12
                        Well, I don't know about that. But if the French cultural minister's problem with American film hegemony is the amount of spending on tickets, I call into question the cultural motivations of the members of UNESCO who voted for this - surely it's obvious that they just want a slice of the pie that they aren't able to sieze without UN help.
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                        • #13
                          I'm fairly sure that they can seize it without help, being sovereign states. They're just going via the UN because it's handy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            I think it was before WWII.
                            Well before WWII...
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                            • #15
                              I want a Schnitzel... NOW!!

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