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  • #46
    So what are the numbers associated with this? How much of the problem is associated with smog? How big is the problem?
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    • #47
      I am sorry, are people so stupid as to question whether inhaling a variety of all too unnatural chemicals into your system could have a negative effect or not?

      Go to some third world city with a real smog issue and then ask yourself about how dangerous smog could be.

      Jesus, this isn't rocket science.....
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      • #48
        The vast majority of "unnatural" substances are perfectly harmless to human beings in large quantities. We don't live in third world countries and don't have their smog problems. So I would prefer solid numbers based on North American cities to quantify the costs involved.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by GePap
          I am sorry, are people so stupid as to question whether inhaling a variety of all too unnatural chemicals into your system could have a negative effect or not?
          Eh, I'm just questioning that it would cause asthma.

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          • #50
            You missed the point long aog that quantification is irrelevant.

            Think of it as a sin tax, the sin being wasting oil.
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            • #51
              Health issues aside, smog is also bad for productivity. Inhaling lots of smog has a similar effect to drinking alcohol. Smog contains acetaldehyde, a toxic chemical that is also an intermediary in the digestion of alcohol.
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              • #52
                If you can't quantify it, why the hell are you bringing it up in my thread? Go make your own thread where you can discuss making the world a GePap utopia through punitive taxes.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by GePap
                  You missed the point long aog that quantification is irrelevant.
                  Quantification is extremely relevent when you're trying to determine what level of taxation would offset the externalities of some activity.

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                  • #54
                    This is for Ontario. Extrapolate to the 50 states, and consider that people who never desired to use an automobile are effected.


                    Air pollution costs Ontario citizens more than $1 billion a year in hospital admissions, emergency room visits, and ab-senteeism according to the analysis contained in the report.

                    Look near the bottom for detailed costs.
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                    • #55
                      That works out to about $25 billion/year in the US. OTOH we may be more rural on average than Ontario.

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                      • #56
                        I think the US has more than 25 times the population of Ontario, and has several cities with greater densities than Toronto.
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                        • #57
                          Interesting figures. What portion of that $25 billion would be associated with auto pollution?
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #58
                            NYE: Ontario has pop of ~ 13 million. 295 million / 13 million x $1 billion = $23 billion.
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                            • #59
                              You mean billion.

                              I see. You consider children deveolping life long diseases, and premature deaths for adults to be 'monopoly money'.

                              While at the same time, you want to tax people for willingly partaking in your nation's highways.

                              Very curious.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by notyoueither
                                I think the US has more than 25 times the population of Ontario, and has several cities with greater densities than Toronto.
                                According to wiki Ontario has a population of 12 million, which is one twenty-fifth of 300 million.

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