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    LONDON — A tax revolt is pitting the government of a former colony famed for dumping tea in Boston Harbor against a British mayor intent on ending gridlock.

    On July 1, the U.S. Embassy in Grosvenor Square — in London's congestion-charge zone — stopped paying the 8 pounds (about $14) daily charge that Mayor Ken Livingstone has imposed on motorists who drive into the city center. Diplomats are exempt from taxes by international law, the embassy says.

    Livingstone doesn't see it that way. The combative mayor already faces battles with businesses over the commercial impact of the congestion charge and with residents of west London over plans to extend the zone in 2007. Even so, he has opened a new front with the American diplomatic mission.

    "The charge is not a tax," he says. "When British diplomats are in America and they go on a toll road, they have to pay the tolls."

    The congestion charge, inaugurated in 2003 at 5 pounds and increased to 8 pounds in July, applies to a 13.6-square-mile area of central London. It is enforced by cameras that check license-plate numbers to see whether cars have registered and paid to enter the zone. Those who fail to pay are subject to penalties starting at 50 pounds. Taxis, emergency vehicles and disabled drivers are among those who are exempt.

    Tony Travers, urban expert at the London School of Economics, says the 60% increase in the charge in July buttresses the embassy's argument.

    "By putting it up to raise money, it looks much more like a good old-fashioned tax," he says. But he says the U.S. revolt is still surprising. "You might think this was something they could grit their teeth and pay. I can't believe it's preying on the Federal Reserve or Alan Greenspan's mind."

    At a recent session with foreign media, the mayor suggested that the U.S. Embassy's stance was linked to the arrival of Ambassador Robert Holmes Tuttle, who presented his credentials at the Court of St. James on July 14. Tuttle is certainly no foe of cars; he is co-managing partner of Irvine, Calif.-based Tuttle-Click Automotive Group, one of the largest car dealerships in the USA.

    "The new American ambassador, having appeared in London, has decided his staff shouldn't pay any charge," says Livingstone, an advocate of public transit who takes the subway to his City Hall office.

    Embassy spokeswoman Susan Domowitz says the dispute predates Tuttle's arrival. "After multiple attempts to work out a solution with UK authorities, we decided to cease paying the tax in spring of 2005," she said in an e-mail. Non-payment began July 1. She didn't specify how many embassy vehicles are affected.

    "It's the view of the United States government that all direct taxes on diplomats and diplomatic operations, including this one, are prohibited by the Vienna Convention," she said.

    The Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, adopted in 1963, exempts diplomats from paying national, regional and local taxes.

    The British Foreign Office says diplomatic immunity does not apply to parking charges or the congestion charges.

    Other major embassies apparently are toeing the line. The Japanese Embassy, located in Piccadilly in the heart of the zone, says every embassy employee is supposed to pay the congestion charge.

    Though Livingstone says the matter will have to be resolved in court, diplomacy seems a more likely route to settlement. Domowitz says the U.S. government plans to have discussions with British authorities in November on the congestion charge and other tax issues.

    Some British business groups opposed to the charge agree with the embassy analysis that it's really a tax.

    Rex Garratt, spokesman for the Forum of Private Business, calls the pending extension of the charging zone to Knightsbridge, Kensington and Chelsea "a cynical move by Ken Livingstone to impose a stealth tax on visitors and shoppers."

    The forum plans to stage a mock funeral for London businesses down Kings Road, Chelsea's main shopping street, this month.

    "The evidence is that the impact on business is broadly neutral," responds Richard Dodd, a spokesman for Transport for London, the mayor's transit unit.

    He adds that the charge is not a tax because it's optional. "If you don't drive into the zone, you don't have to pay. The whole point of the congestion charge is to encourage people to use public transport."
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-10-13-british-tax_x.htm

    Suprised that I haven't seen a thread on this.
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    I do think Livingstone's "It's not a tax!" defense is a little amusing though.
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    • #3
      Its a toll, are tolls taxes? The tax laws in the UK are amusing when it comes to definitions anyway.
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      • #4
        USA Today?

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        • #5
          Do you Americans have an allergy to public transport or something? If you don't want to pay to drive into London, don't drive into London, do what everyone else does!
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          • #6
            Ecthy: You're free to find something on the issue from The Guardian or Die Welt if you don't like my source.
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            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #7
              They're diplomats, you don't want them clogging up your tubes.

              In the US foreign diplomats get away with not paying parking meter fees so I don't see why American diplomats have to pay a "congestion tax". For pity's sake, we'll bring our own Kleenex.
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              • #8
                You take the bus into central london, you pay for the bus.
                You take the tube into london, you pay for the tube.
                You drive into central london, you pay the congestion charge.

                It's that simple. Put your embassy outside the zone if you don't want to pay.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dauphin
                  Its a toll, are tolls taxes?
                  It does sound like a tax at least if the article's source at the London School of Economics is to be believed.
                  @ PH: You may have missed this part of the article so let me post it for you again.

                  Diplomats are exempt from taxes by international law, the embassy says.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    But that depends on definition - there is a charge for entering Central London, the congestion charge not tax. Like everyone else, they are not exempt from it...
                    Speaking of Erith:

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Provost Harrison
                      Do you Americans have an allergy to public transport or something? If you don't want to pay to drive into London, don't drive into London, do what everyone else does!
                      It's a way to use the law to benefit themselves. Why would they want to pay extra when they wouldn't have to?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                        In the US foreign diplomats get away with not paying parking meter fees so I don't see why American diplomats have to pay a "congestion tax". For pity's sake, we'll bring our own Kleenex.
                        Yeah! Don't make us throw more tea into the ocean.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #13
                          DD, it's not the source thing. It's the level of informing yourself. That paper is shyte, even if that story is true.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                            It's a way to use the law to benefit themselves. Why would they want to pay extra when they wouldn't have to?
                            They could use public transport? You know, when in Rome...?
                            Speaking of Erith:

                            "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Provost Harrison
                              They could use public transport? You know, when in Rome...?
                              Once again, why pay more when you could pay less?
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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