SPD sellout complete: Merkel becomes chancellor

[Ecthy]

Spiffor, rememebr you're judging from 1 job you had. These folks know more about the German economy than a guy fromFrance who had one job over here and judges it all from that one job. And now you come and lecture me about believing falsehoods spread by interest groups. Facts anyone?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Colon
1€/h on top of the unemployment benefits they receive, no?

Yes. On top of the whooping 345€ a month. And IIRC, if you refuse the 1€/hour jobs offered, you can be removed of the unemployment benefits altogether.


Hint: In Stuttgart, my survival income (as a student) was 400€ without telecoms (300€ rent, 100€ food). Good luck finding a job without a phone.

[Ecthy]

Walk to places and give them your applications.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Spiffor, rememebr you're judging from 1 job you had. These folks know more about the German economy than a guy fromFrance who had one job over here and judges it all from that one job. And now you come and lecture me about believing falsehoods spread by interest groups. Facts anyone?

I've looked for work in your country.

The unemployement-advisor told me that my wage would be purely a boss-employee decision. She seemed annoyed that more and more people accepted a measly 6€ an hour, and tried to encourage me looking for better paid jobs (I suppose she wanted to so what she could against the spiral of decreasing wages).

I've given you my facts: liberal decisions favouring the market have been in fashion since Kohl. I've given numerous examples of how your country is already deregulated (in response to Imran).

Now, give me your facts. If you don't have any facts and only judge from what others say, then you're a parrot. If you're able to show me facts, then you aren't.

[Dinner]

Germany doesn't need roll backs of wages per say but they do need to make it easier to fire people, harder for unions to strangle businesses, less regulation, and getting the politicians out of companies like VW (partially owned by the state it resides in). VW is losing money yet it can't readjust its work force so that it fits with the company's current market share because the politicians who control the state owned shares don't want to increase unemployment. The result is the company struggles because the politicians are doing what is best for their political careers instead of what is best for VW.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Walk to places and give them your applications.

Most industrial jobs are deep in the suburbs. It can be up to a 3 hours walk (my budget didn't take into account transportation as well, which is incidentally horribly expansive for non-students).

3 hours walk vs 2 minutes email. Hmmmm, wonder which is the more efficient way to find a job?

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Yes. On top of the whooping 345€ a month. And IIRC, if you refuse the 1€/hour jobs offered, you can be removed of the unemployment benefits altogether.

Which only is the case for long-term unemployed, right?

[Ecthy]

I'm trying to open your mind for the whole debate, not be a part ofthe debate. I've already said I didn't read intot he labour legislature, so where's your clever revelation for tonight?

So all you're saying is YOU don't know what the discussion in this country is all about, becasue YOU haven't seen any of these regulations. Maybe the state of Baden-Württemberg is less regulated than many other places in this country? I don't know, do you? Do you have any idea about the decentralism in a federalist country? Probably not. Maybe I have no facts to offer, but hten I don't need them because I'm not trying to convince anyone. You are, and all the facts you have are some personal experiences from a very limited point fo view.

And you obviously don't know what a parrot is (we don't call people animal names, do the French?):

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[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Most industrial jobs are deep in the suburbs. It can be up to a 3 hours walk (my budget didn't take into account transportation as well, which is incidentally horribly expansive for non-students).

Learn to ride a bike, or is that not an option with frog legs?

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Most industrial jobs are deep in the suburbs. It can be up to a 3 hours walk (my budget didn't take into account transportation as well, which is incidentally horribly expansive for non-students).

3 hours walk vs 2 minutes email. Hmmmm, wonder which is the more efficient way to find a job?

These days, most people work in the services sector. Heck, you have more chance finding a low-paid, low-skills job there than you do in industry.

[Dinner]

Who are you talking to? Are you honestly contending that unless you personally come up with an idea you can't support it? Some one is a parrot for taking the advice of experts in economics such as the economist? It seems to me that claiming such a thing is not very logical.

[Colonâ„¢]

Who are you talking to?

[Ecthy]

Colon who are you...

You guys crack me up some day, I'm going to bed.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Germany doesn't need roll backs of wages per say but they do need to make it easier to fire people, harder for unions to strangle businesses, less regulation, and getting the politicians out of companies like VW (partially owned by the state it resides in). VW is losing money yet it can't readjust its work force so that it fits with the company's current market share because the politicians who control the state owned shares don't want to increase unemployment. The result is the company struggles because the politicians are doing what is best for their political careers instead of what is best for VW.

Unions isn't as bad as you make them. It is quite right that they really have made a mess in germany with their hopeless firing clauses, but unions actually do a good job here (it could be better)

[Dinner]

By and large Thatcher's reforms were good for the British economy and restored dynomism, however, she just dumped a lot of industries which could have been saved and reformed into valuable companies. Look how France has been able to reform Renault and Dassault. Most of British heavy industry could have been similiarly reformed though it would have taken state support and years of effort.

The results speak for themselves though. France did things the slow and steady way so they still have an autoindustry while the UK doesn't. Of course France didn't do any of Thatcher's free market reforms so their economy continues to lag. The best solution seems to be inbetween where the free market gets to work but where the country continues to practice something of a state capitalism system by nationalizing key companies when they're about to fail, reform them and invest in new product lines, then privatize them again. Korea practices this and does very well as does Malaysia.