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  • #16
    I don't like Hillary

    but I would probably vote for her over Republicans I do like, because we need some democrat (or other nonrepublican) power

    JM
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    • #17
      Don't you think it's a bit worrying with presidents being "in the family", like the Bushes and now maybe both the Clinton spouses. Really projects an image that you have to be whed or born into a family and social status to even be considered for president.
      It's candy. Surely there are more important things the NAACP could be boycotting. If the candy were shaped like a burning cross or a black man made of regular chocolate being dragged behind a truck made of white chocolate I could understand the outrage and would share it. - Drosedars

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      • #18
        I do really think that it is worrying with presidents in the family

        we were heading away from rule by elites for a while, now we seem to be heading back towards it

        we seem to want some sort of nobility

        that is part of the reason I don't want Hillary

        Jon Miller
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        • #19
          Hillary can claim the nomination if she wants simply by virtue of her husbands campaign fund raising system but she can't win for a number of reasons. 1) The right wing hate machine has spent 13 years claiming she's a dike and an evil hateful person. Of course that isn't true but most Americans can't find their own city on a map much less recall detailed political positions from a candidate. 2)
          Dispite her anti-video game rants she's still a liberal and a senator. That means she has a long voting record which the right wing smear machine will use to paint her as a flip flopper dispite the fact that every senator from both parties switches votes in order to advance the party's agenda. Witness the Republican's latest voting farce with the oil company give away bill where they kept a 5 minute vote open for 50 minutes in order to twist arms and treaten enough senators into switching votes.
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          • #20
            Get a multi party system if you ever want to get away from that elitist system you have now.

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            • #21
              From a Chinese who lives in a one party state that is some what ironic.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Jon Miller
                I do really think that it is worrying with presidents in the family

                we were heading away from rule by elites for a while, now we seem to be heading back towards it

                we seem to want some sort of nobility

                that is part of the reason I don't want Hillary

                Jon Miller
                Where were we heading away from this ???

                Last presidents:
                Bushes
                Clintons
                Reagan (movie man)
                Carter (Oops...) < Maybe only exception, but he was not exactly as humble as they pretended he was
                Ford (accident)
                Nixon (huge republican powerhouse)
                LBJ (same for dems)
                Kennedy (do I need to say anything here?)
                Eisenhower (Military genius and popular guy)
                Truman (accident again)
                FDR (Roosevelts, and America's Only Monarch®)
                ...

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                • #23
                  Nah, it doesn't bother me, unless it gets to be a long-running pattern. There is precedent. John Quincy Adams was the son of John Adams. Benjamin Harrison was the grandson of William Henry Harrison.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #24
                    JM: I wouldn't call Hillary Clinton "elite" in the sense that she is part of a rich family... I'm sure the Clinton estate is worth something, but certainly they aren't wealthy enough to be considered nobility...

                    Hillary Clinton go to where she is by working... not just by being the wife of a President. Even before she was elected to public office herself, she worked very actively in her husband's political career.

                    On the other hand, Dubya has had everything handed to him on a silver platter. And his daddy's friends have been bailing him out his whole life.

                    Very different situations entirely.

                    And we're talking about a husband and wife combo... not two generations in a family.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #25
                      Oerdin, I'm German

                      Even if I was Chinese, would I be to blame for the Chinese one party system? Can political theory not exist outside of the perfect world?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sava
                        JM: I wouldn't call Hillary Clinton "elite" in the sense that she is part of a rich family... I'm sure the Clinton estate is worth something, but certainly they aren't wealthy enough to be considered nobility...

                        Hillary Clinton go to where she is by working... not just by being the wife of a President. Even before she was elected to public office herself, she worked very actively in her husband's political career.

                        On the other hand, Dubya has had everything handed to him on a silver platter. And his daddy's friends have been bailing him out his whole life.

                        Very different situations entirely.

                        And we're talking about a husband and wife combo... not two generations in a family.
                        the Clintons worked their way into the elite

                        they weren't born there (which is better then the Bushes)

                        JM
                        Jon Miller-
                        I AM.CANADIAN
                        GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Ecthy
                          Oerdin, I'm German

                          Even if I was Chinese, would I be to blame for the Chinese one party system? Can political theory not exist outside of the perfect world?
                          God damn it! Why did you change your name and use the wrong flag?
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Jon Miller


                            the Clintons worked their way into the elite

                            they weren't born there (which is better then the Bushes)

                            JM
                            I'd not go that far. Bush SR's father was iirc the beginning of their power, and Bush SR did a lot to strengthen that power. The Clintons were somewhat unknown before his presidency, but Hilary was from a pretty powerful family IIRC, and Bill Clinton certainly didn't start from the bottom ...
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Oerdin
                              Hillary can claim the nomination if she wants simply by virtue of her husbands campaign fund raising system but she can't win for a number of reasons. 1) The right wing hate machine has spent 13 years claiming she's a dike and an evil hateful person. Of course that isn't true but most Americans can't find their own city on a map much less recall detailed political positions from a candidate. 2)
                              Dispite her anti-video game rants she's still a liberal and a senator. That means she has a long voting record which the right wing smear machine will use to paint her as a flip flopper dispite the fact that every senator from both parties switches votes in order to advance the party's agenda. Witness the Republican's latest voting farce with the oil company give away bill where they kept a 5 minute vote open for 50 minutes in order to twist arms and treaten enough senators into switching votes.
                              Excuses, excuses. I think she could take the heat. Besides, it wasn't the GOP who pulled out the "your daughter, who is a lesbian" line.
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                              • #30
                                Like I said earlier, only the right wingers like her.
                                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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