Hillary, President

[MrFun]

The women who think that a man automatically denotes greater security than a female president are foolish.

[Admiral]

Originally posted by MrFun
The women who think that a man automatically denotes greater security than a female president are foolish.

I agree. But polling suggests that some women voted for Bush over Kerry because they felt more secure under Bush, and this would certainly be exacerbated in a Hillary vs Allen (or Guliani) race.

[:) Smiley]

Originally posted by MrFun
The women who think that a man automatically denotes greater security than a female president are foolish.

Intelligence is not a requirement for voting, however.

I'd vote for just about anyone, even Pekka, to get the Republicans out of the White House.

[Drake Tungsten]

People who vote for President based on the party of the candidates rather than the personal qualities of said candidates are foolish.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Smiley


Intelligence is not a requirement for voting, however.

I'd vote for just about anyone, even Pekka, to get the Republicans out of the White House.

See, that's part of the problem with liberals these days ... and i don't intend this as a troll, albeit it sounds like one from that sentence.

Y'all are voting AGAINST someone, but don't have someone concrete to vote FOR.

There are plenty of Democratic candidates that I'd vote for before certain republican candidates ... Newt, for example, i'd vote for Kerry over him...

[mrmitchell]

and Bill Clinton certainly didn't start from the bottom ...

wikipedia
"Clinton grew up in a traditional nuclear, albeit blended, family; however, according to Clinton, his stepfather was a gambler and alcoholic who regularly abused Clinton's mother, and sometimes Clinton's half brother Roger, Jr.."

Sure, he didn't spend his youth in a cardboard box, but he got to where he is today through his brains.

[Imran Siddiqui]

There are plenty of Democratic candidates that I'd vote for before certain republican candidates ... Newt, for example, i'd vote for Kerry over him...

Newt . I'd definetly vote for Gingrich.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Admiral
The Hillary situation is interesting. Most of the Democratic activists (I can't speak for the DNC) seem to think that she's the inevitable candidate, but support someone over her. When she does run, the media will probably prop her up, like they did Dean before Iowa, which may either help or hurt her in the primary. Personally, I think that she will, against her will, become backed by the more liberal wing of the party, against a centrist like Mark Warner or Wesley Clarke.

But if she does get the nomination, things will be even more interesting. The right wing of the Republican party has spent so long hating everything about her that that could turn into an advantage for her. The fact is, many independents shy away from rabid hate, which certainly hurt Kerry to some extent. I think the anti-Hillary types could end up becoming a liability. Also, she may swing the female vote back to the Democrats, which would probably give her the election, though, on the other hand, there seems to be a certain category of female voter who votes on national security, and may feel safer voting for a man.

THis is a good analysis.

The rabid Hillary haters will certainly work to her advantage.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by mrmitchell


wikipedia
"Clinton grew up in a traditional nuclear, albeit blended, family; however, according to Clinton, his stepfather was a gambler and alcoholic who regularly abused Clinton's mother, and sometimes Clinton's half brother Roger, Jr.."

Sure, he didn't spend his youth in a cardboard box, but he got to where he is today through his brains.

I hardly consider Wikipedia a useful reference on this (or any other political) subject.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I've never heard this story that Bill Clinton started anywhere but the bottom.

http://ap.grolier.com/article?assetid=0097755-00&templatename=/article/article.html

Born on Aug. 19, 1946, in Hope, Ark., William ("Bill") Jefferson Blythe IV grew up in a troubled home. His father had died in an automobile accident three months before his son's birth, and his mother later was forced to leave her two-year-old son with his grandparents when she moved to New Orleans to pursue her nursing studies. The family settled in Hot Springs, Ark., after his mother married Roger Clinton, whose surname Bill later adopted.

[Dinner]

Gore is 10 times the candidate than Hillary is plus he has the benifet of already having won one Presidential election.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by snoopy369
See, that's part of the problem with liberals these days ... and i don't intend this as a troll, albeit it sounds like one from that sentence.

Y'all are voting AGAINST someone, but don't have someone concrete to vote FOR.

There are plenty of Democratic candidates that I'd vote for before certain republican candidates ... Newt, for example, i'd vote for Kerry over him...

It's three years before the election and you're whining that there isn't a clear cut front runner?

[Admiral]

Originally posted by snoopy369




See, that's part of the problem with liberals these days ... and i don't intend this as a troll, albeit it sounds like one from that sentence.

Y'all are voting AGAINST someone, but don't have someone concrete to vote FOR.

There are plenty of Democratic candidates that I'd vote for before certain republican candidates ... Newt, for example, i'd vote for Kerry over him...

That was true in 2004, and was partly why we lost (ask most people now what Kerry stood for, and they won't give you a clear answer, whereas they definitely would have an answer for Bush). In 2008, we won't have someone to vote against in the same way. That being said, not having a clear platform is a problem with the very nature of the Democratic Party. Being a broad tent, we have everyone from pro-war centrists who oppose abortion and gay marriage to socialists. This makes it incredibly hard to form a strong platform without pissing people off, which Democrats are afraid to do.

Democrats will make gains in both the House and Senate in 2006, just because of how corrupt and stupid the Republican party has been of late. But if we do not come up with an easy to explain and powerful platform, we'll lose badly in 2008, and undoubtedly continue to lose. What makes this even more agonizing is that there are messages out there. Mark Warner has a vision for government and business that the Democrats need to hear. Edwards got to talk a little bit about poverty in 2004, and that message, if not Edwards himself, needs to come back. One in five children live in poverty, and 40% of African American children live below the poverty line. This is clearly a pressing issue, and needs to be both brought out, and addressed. Finally, there are actually good ideas about community that have been coming out of the Dailykos crowd, and the Party would do well to embrace them rather than the inconsistent platform we now follow.

So there is hope. Democrats just need to stop being afraid of being Democrats, and start laying out a vision for America.

[Barnabas]

I post in catholic.com (not to antagonize, I am a practicing catholic)

She is hated with such passion in that forum, unbelievable, she is always one of the most popular candidates for being the anti-christ.

I am not American and I thought Clinton was an excellent president.
Although I disagree with dems on abortion, I like how they deal with economic and foreign policy issues.

[Barnabas]

Could Gore be candidate again? Is there a chance?