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  • #136
    Originally posted by BlackCat
    There has been a lot of improvements in extracting oil in the last 20 or so years. In 1985 it was expected that danish north sea wells would "run dry" just about now, but better techniques has pushed that date to somewhere in 2015. Funny thing is that the old estimate was that it would be possible to get approx 5 % out where it now is expected that up to 20 % could be extracted. Fact is that there actually is four times more left that may be accesible if price/technology makes it sensible.

    This is what I have been saying. Existing tech still leaves the vast majority of oil in the ground and people always stop producing before all has been produced. Change the price assumption and reserves increase.
    You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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    • #137
      Originally posted by KrazyHorse


      The "it" refers to hydroelectric dams.
      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

      It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
      The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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      • #138
        Originally posted by KrazyHorse


        Why?
        Because in the oceans it could move along with the tides more unrestrainedly.
        Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

        It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
        The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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        • #139
          Originally posted by DanS


          Nobody can quantify the risk within a useful degree of precision, least of all the editorial writer.

          Yes we can. It happens to be zero.
          [q] So why would there be a cause for action based on risk?[/QUOTE]I'll refer you to my example regarding the house and interruption of the electricity supply.
          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
          The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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          • #140
            The production guys would disagree with the idea that you can't push oil with water.
            To be clear, I know that it is done. It's just not done deliberately by wildcatters, because of several non-technological reasons.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #141
              Has anyone pointed out that the problem is not the supply of oil or the ability to get it from Alberta's oil sands, but the increase in the number of people driving cars.

              The Chinese seem to have this wonderful idea that they too can have a car culture. Many other developing countries feel the same way. I guess you'll all love it when you are choking to death on the fumes.

              Westerners do not live a sustainable lifestyle. If everyone lived that way, we would be in real trouble.
              Only feebs vote.

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              • #142
                Originally posted by Agathon

                Westerners do not live a sustainable lifestyle. If everyone lived that way, we would be in real trouble.
                Somehow I find that statement a little amusing. People living the western way seems to have the longest life expectancy and combined with a often negative growth rate, it may not be too bad - though there are other problems, but they aren't going to be solved before we are fewer people on this planet.
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • #143
                  Originally posted by BlackCat


                  Somehow I find that statement a little amusing. People living the western way seems to have the longest life expectancy and combined with a often negative growth rate, it may not be too bad - though there are other problems, but they aren't going to be solved before we are fewer people on this planet.
                  Your fewer people is the point. Canadians can get away with our lifestyle because we have a relatively low population and density. If India tried to mimic our level of per person resource consumption (lets say on auto use) it would be unsustainable.
                  You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by Flubber


                    Your fewer people is the point. Canadians can get away with our lifestyle because we have a relatively low population and density. If India tried to mimic our level of per person resource consumption (lets say on auto use) it would be unsustainable.
                    Somehow Canada wasn't first in my mind for a couple of reasons - there are not that many of you and you aren't that much worse than others

                    It was more the european situation that came to my mind. We have dense population and high resource consumption, but unless our politicians opens for immigration, we also has a declining population. The only way to get control of resource use is to reduce population growth, and that can only be done by improving conditions and resource consumption in countries such as china and india. The problem is if we can get the reduction have some effect before we run out of resources.
                    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                    Steven Weinberg

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                    • #145
                      Originally posted by Last Conformist
                      Because in the oceans it could move along with the tides more unrestrainedly.
                      Do you have any physics background whatsoever?

                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by Last Conformist
                        The "it" refers to hydroelectric dams.
                        This is becoming surreal.

                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
                        Ultima Ratio Regum

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                        • #147
                          KH - haven't you figured it out yet ? LC has a firm grip on your nose and are dragging you around at his will.

                          LC may have a point, but it is so extremely small that it falls beyond what is mesurable.

                          Sorry LC, but your joke is beginning to bore me .
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                          Steven Weinberg

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by Colon
                            Has humanity ever gotten to the point it exhausted a resource? (serious question)


                            Yes. Certain fish species are no longer economicaly viable, and you don't see too much whale oil on the market these days, do you? Mostly they are plant/animal products of some sort.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #149
                              Has humanity ever gotten to the point it exhausted a resource? (serious question)


                              Look up the sheer number of species that became extinct due to human intervention. That would be a start.
                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Colon


                                I meant globally (hence the "humanity"), and I was sort of thinking of non-renewables as well.
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