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  • #91
    He doesn't look as threatening without the mustache.
    Lime roots and treachery!
    "Eventually you're left with a bunch of unmemorable posters like Cyclotron, pretending that they actually know anything about who they're debating pointless crap with." - Drake Tungsten

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    • #92
      Originally posted by cyclotron7
      He doesn't look as threatening without the mustache.

      That's what people said about Merkel.
      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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      • #93
        I already addressed the issue regarding Byzantium...

        a small sliver of Turkey being in Europe does not qualify the entire country as being part of Europe...


        does anyone disagree with me that they should change the name of the European Union?
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #94
          geography is at best a secondary issue here.
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • #95
            so? it's a simple question
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #96
              ok, the simple answer is no.
              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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              • #97
                Exactly, the geographical borders of Europe are completely meaningless here. We are talking about a cultural-political entity, not about lines in the sand.
                Blah

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                • #98
                  Should Canada be allowed to join the EU?
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • #99
                    Oh yeah, the famous "should be xyz allowed, when xyz is on some other continent" argument. Just that practically this isn't on the table, nobody expects it, and nobody wants it, so I don't see any need to waste time about it. This about about Turkey, and nothing else. But when Canada really joins some day we may consider a new name, if that helps you
                    Blah

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                    • when xyz is on some other continent
                      which is exactly the issue about Turkey
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • and you still miss that nobody cares
                        Blah

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                        • Yup Canada would more than likely be allowed to join if they were thus inclined. I mean the talk now is that after Turkey they'll go for Morocco, Tunisia f.ex.

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                          • Greenland was for a period a member, but we still called it EU
                            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                            Steven Weinberg

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                            • and thus starts a big adventure and experiment.

                              to qualfy for entrance turkey needs to rid itself of the deep state otherwise called the kemalist state. will it be willing to do it? will it be able to do it?
                              all the answers in our next episodes stay tuned

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                              • kemalist state= severe democracy deficiency and founding principle of turkey since its birth.
                                consists of: army securing a secular state
                                responsible for: direct interference to political life ranging from hard and soft coup d'etats to direct influence of political decisions under the veil of democracy. i.e. minister of exterior of turkey needs approval from chief of army.
                                also responsible for: various supresions of left wing, islamists etc etc. cyprus invasion, kurdish suprecion etc.


                                and of course there's a danger that if kemalist state IS abolished that islamism will arise.
                                (no way turkey entering EU with kemalism- unless EU shifting to central core/concentric circles model or is destrid and reduced to free comercial zone, in either way turkey;s admission won;t be met with resistance if it keeps the kemalist state)

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