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  • #76
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


    The same way Hawaii is part of the United States of America.


    I already covered this

    you were pwned before you even posted
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #77
      no, not at the moment. both turkey and the EU have to change before they can be admitted.

      turkey must improve its human rights record, respect and protect basic freedoms like freedom of speech. accept and come to terms with its past actions and recognise cyprus, to name a few.

      the EU has to come up with a new financial settlement, undertake major reform of, or (preferably) abolish the CAP. to reform the political institutions, the administrative and decision making bodies in the EU in order to cope with a new country of ~70 million people. i also think the EU member states need to have a serious debate about what the EU should be and where it is heading, and that this should certainly be done before turkey can enter.

      one important test for turkey will come next year when they try out a customs union with the EU countries, at the moment it appears that they will fulfil their obligations, except in respect of cypriot shipping and goods. this will (and should) be a major sticking point.
      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Sava


        I already covered this

        you were pwned before you even posted


        I saw your BS answer. You simply sidestep the critique of your comment and declare that since our name does not specify which continent of America, that it therefore doesn't count. Try again sadman.

        We are the United States of America, North and South.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Cort Haus
          So, Turkey can qualify with its modern secular democratic traditions, but the two other likely Islamic Balkan states of the future wouldn't. Ayatollah Ashdown's Islamic Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina can stay out for a start (pop : majority non-Muslim), as can the Mafioso-Slaver-Terrorist Republic of Kosova (pop: 100% pure Shqiptar).
          Kosovo is officially partof Serbia still so it would automatically join when/if Serbia joins. Next I wouldn't call the Kosovars terrorists as they are highly secularized and European people who laugh at Arabs for their religous fundimentalism though they do have a problem with organized crime. That mostly stems from a lack of normal employment opportunities much like the Scaclian mob was in the early 20th century. With development and foreign invest (which is unlikely to happen without normalization with Serbia and EU entry) things will change.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
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            I saw your BS answer. You simply sidestep the critique of your comment and declare that since our name does not specify which continent of America, that it therefore doesn't count. Try again sadman.

            We are the United States of America, North and South.
            sorry, you are wrong... and have been pwned a second time


            stop embarassing yourself
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #81
              Re: Do I want Turkey in the EU?

              Originally posted by Whaleboy
              Originally posted by molly bloom
              Eurocom has WAY more to gain by letting in Turkey than by not having it. In addition to the hot chicks, you get a gateway to the Muslim, Arab, etc world in every way imaginable.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #82
                Ted Stroker
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #83
                  Why are we even discussing this now? Talks will last for between 10-15 YEARS. I'll be 37 at the latest...like, almost dead. WTF care's now?
                  "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
                  ^ The Poly equivalent of:
                  "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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                  • #84
                    Fvck you!
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Oerdin


                      Kosovo is officially partof Serbia still so it would automatically join when/if Serbia joins. Next I wouldn't call the Kosovars terrorists as they are highly secularized and European people who laugh at Arabs for their religous fundimentalism though they do have a problem with organized crime. That mostly stems from a lack of normal employment opportunities much like the Scaclian mob was in the early 20th century. With development and foreign invest (which is unlikely to happen without normalization with Serbia and EU entry) things will change.
                      I referred to the future, rather than the immediate present. Kosovo won't be part of Serbia for much longer. The terrorism I spoke of there is Nationalist terror, not Islamist, and it is currently being deployed against the UN forces who are in no position to resist it, for various reasons. Before that it was deployed against Macedonia.



                      SNRA - Pristina, 1 October:

                      Kfor [NATO-led Kosovo Force] members early this morning successfully removed an explosive planted under a UN vehicle in Pristina's main street, the police have said.

                      "Kfor specialists deactivated the explosive ten minutes after midnight [2210 gmt]. We still do not know what kind of explosive it was," police spokesman Refki Morina said.

                      The explosive was planted under a UN vehicle in the Ministry of Culture car park, Morina said, adding that the operation had lasted about one hour. The police had to evacuate not only offices, but all the surrounding apartment buildings.



                      It's true that neither Kosovo Albanians nor Bosnian Muslims are devoutly religious historically, but there has been been substantial Wahabist 'investment' in Mosques and 'Charities', and clear fundamentalism (albeit whitewashed by the west to avoid embarrasment) in the Bosnian SDA leadership. The Al-Quaeda types bussed in by the West during the 90's are still there.



                      Croat party alleges threats by radical Muslims in Bosnia
                      Agence France Presse -- English - September 23, 2005 Friday 4:35 PM GMT

                      BANJA LUKA, Bosnia-Hercegovina Sept 23 - The main nationalist party representing Bosnia's ethnic Croats on Friday said it was taking court action against a radical Islamic community over alleged threats.

                      The Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) filed a suit against the Wahhabi community in the northeastern region around Brcko, alleging threats, offending the Croat nationality and spreading fear among local Bosnian Croats, the SRNA news agency said.

                      The report came after members of the Wahhabi community in Gornja Maoca, near Brcko, told a Croatian newspaper that "Croats, as the most radical Christians, should be wiped out as soon as possible" from Bosnia.

                      The statement sparked fears among Bosnian Croats, who saw it as an open threat.

                      "We demand that you take the necessary measures to ensure that the perpetrators of this criminal act are prosecuted and punished," said the HDZ lawsuit, which was handed over to local prosecutors in Brcko and the neighbouring town of Tuzla.

                      Wahhabism is an ultra-orthodox branch of Sunni Islam, originating in 18th century Saudi Arabia.

                      Most Bosnian Muslims are very moderate, while followers of Wahhabism in Bosnia are often linked with fighters from Islamic countries who came to the the Balkan country for the 1992-1995 war.

                      They were all supposed to leave the country after the war but an unspecified number of them remained and obtained Bosnian citizenship, mostly by marrying local women.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by VetLegion


                        Nah . Budapest was under Turkish rule for 145 years and yet they do not oppose Turkish entry.

                        Austria did voice opinion of many, but why they chose to press it alone is a mystery to me.

                        Flemish nationalists and Armenians also opposed Turkish entry (oohh-err, missus).
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                        ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Sava
                          Ecthy, that's the best you can come up with? Hawaii?

                          you are splitting the tiniest of hairs here...

                          It is not the United States of "NORTH AMERICA"

                          it is "America"...

                          "America" is a general term...

                          Europe is a specific term... a continent... a defined area...

                          And Cyprus is an island off Asia, not Europe. Formerly ruled by the Achaemenids, Egyptians, et cetera...

                          Malta has a Semitic, non-'European' language. It was settled by Asiatics- Phoenicians and Carthaginians.

                          Sicily and the Iberian peninsula and southern France were all ruled by Asiatics and Africans.

                          Europe has non-Indo-European languages, and even a country settled by a nomadic people from Asia- Hungary.

                          You'd notice if you looked at a map, that Istanbul straddles Europe and Asia, and that part of Turkey is indeed in Europe:
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                          ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Sava
                            sorry, you are wrong... and have been pwned a second time


                            stop embarassing yourself
                            Well.. Hawaii is on completely different continental plate as the rest of the US, it's more Oceania than America really.

                            As for Turkey.. I think the EU is growing too fast as it is. I think we should have 15-20 years without expansion now, or at least avoiding to take in economies that are lower than the EU average. Norway or Switzerland, sure, Turkey, Moldova or Algeria, no thanks.

                            Also there's some serious issues that need to be sorted out before expansion can realistically be achieved again. I mean they can't agree a budget now, imagine increasing the EU's population by 20%.

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                            • #89
                              It's all Eurasia anyway.
                              Blah

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                              • #90

                                Oceania was at war with Eastasia : Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now completely obsolete. Reports and records of all kinds, newspapers, books, pamphlets, films, sound-tracks, photographs - all had to be rectified at lightning speed. Although no directive was ever issued, it was known that the chiefs of the Department intended that within one week no reference to the war with Eurasia, or the alliance with Eastasia, should remain in existence anywhere. The work was overwhelming, all the more so because the processes that it involved could not be called by their true names.
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                                ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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