Iraq was the “greatest strategic disaster in United States history,”

[Capt Dizle]

Re: Re: Iraq was the “greatest strategic disaster in United States history,”

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


I don't think it helps win anyone's hearts or minds by bringing that kind of incivility here.

Like he and his ilk could win my heart or mind in the first place?



Our ilk have neither hearts nor minds so freep thee all. We still got plenty of National Guard more than willing to do a tour in Iraq you know.

[FrostyBoy]

Yeah Verto, did you ever see the Animatrix?

[notyoueither]

Re: Iraq was the “greatest strategic disaster in United States history,”

Originally posted by Oerdin
I don't want to be partisan (I also know that the freeper scum here...

Way to start a civil discussion.

[Ted Striker]

This freeper scum explains alot about certain people.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Oerdin
That's the key part. George Bush went on his personal crusade to get even with the guy he blamed for ending his father's Presidency and who "tried to kill my dad". George Bush sacraficed the safety and security of the US to persue his personal vendetta and he needs to be held to task for it.

meh. I don't think so.

I think he really believed it was in the best interests of the country.

Of course he was really wrong and went about it all wrong anyways, so granting that he had good intentions doesn't change the fact the war was a huge disaster.

[Ted Striker]

I do.

[Sava]

Ted Striker

[notyoueither]

Ted Striker thinks that George Galloway is a person to be looked up to.

What does that tell you about Ted Striker, or George Galloway... I'm not sure which.

[Agathon]

The U.S. should withdraw from Iraq, he said, and reposition its military forces along the Afghan-Pakistani border to capture Osama bin Laden and crush al Qaeda cells.

And no reasonable person could disagree with this: that man is an international menace (although nothing compared to nuclear weapons, epidemics or climate change).

On the other hand, this won't be enough. Something has to be done about the Israel/Palestine problem for everyone's sake. Moreover, the West just has to learn to let the Arabs sort out their own problems. Leave the Iranians alone. They are not the evil demons they are portrayed to be, and they were on track to solve their own problems until Shrub and company gave the Islamist lunatics a shot in the arm.

But it won't happen. Political opinion in the United States is effectively cut off from what anyone else has to say. There are a number of obvious reasons for this, but the fact is undeniable.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit
Look, we can discuss for days about who´s to blame for the current situation in the middle east, but there are two problems that are MUST be solved, otherwise our world is going to change forever within the next 50 years: Iran and Saudi Arabia

It looks like our world is drastically different than 50 years ago.

So I can't fathom the meaning of your post.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't want to be partisan

Frankly... a bit too late for that

[chequita guevara]

I think instigating a mujahedeen uprising in Afganistan might have been a greater strategic disaster.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Oerdin
There were popular revolutions in Algeria, Malaysia, the UAE, and Libya but they were against foreign powers more then the existing muslim governments.

None of those can be called "popular revolutions". They were liberation movements against foreing powers. The dynamics of a popular revolution and of liberation movements are significantly different.

The difference between challenging a foreign ruler and a local ruler, who in theory has greater legitimacy than rule form the outside ever could is important.

And finally, the government set up in Iran was revolutionary- a new mold. That is not true for any of the examples you gave.

[chequita guevara]

Yemen was a popular revolution.

[Chemical Ollie]

I would say the civil war was a greater disaster. But indeed, the Iraq invasion is a stupid adventure that will create more problems than it solved.