When the hawks were doves.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by loinburger
It's hypocrisy, dammit.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit
I don´t like Democrates complaining about Iraq when it´s all Clinton´s fault for turning the Balkans into a third-world subcontinent

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Yes, once the Balcans was a thriving region, splendid economic conditions and civil society until Clinton bombed the whole region to the stone age.

That said, I was rather undecided on the Kosovo-issue back then and didn't listen enough to the critics. Maybe Clinton had me hypnotized with his sax, dunno. Anyway, that was a mistake of mine I hope I've learnt from.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
That was justified due to on going ethnic cleansing.

Justified based on what standard? International law? Your own sense of morals?

[Dinner]

Both under international law and the moral standards of most civilized people.

http://anthonydamato.law.northwestern.edu/Adobefiles/A995.pdf

[Q Classic]

It's Balkans, dammit.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Both under international law and the moral standards of most civilized people.

http://anthonydamato.law.northwester...files/A995.pdf

You didn't read this very well, since the bombing campagin of NATO violated the first rule, it violated the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia by intending to remove Kosovo from it. Since no finding of genocide was ever made, there was no legal justiifcation for the illegal war on Yugoslavia, except to point at Bosnia, where all sides were engaged in genocide.

But to realize that would be to accept that you violated the laws of nations and the United States by participating in that illegal war.

[Dinner]

Che, it said there were a number of different ways the war could be justified under international law. Just because one was not filled doesn't mean the others weren't. Please look again.

Also your claim that the territory of Serbia was violated doesn't wash since Kosovo remains a part of Serbia and everyone there carries a Serbian & Montenagro passport. It remains what it was prior to 1989; an autonomous part of Serbia.

[Dinner]

BTW a friend of mine is now serving there. It is interesting to hear about how Camp Bondsteel has changed and what is different in 2005 vs 2000 when I was there.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Wait there would be other ways to justify the war under international law?

The reason that most people use that the war for Kosovo was justified under international law was that the UN retroactively approved of the action (which is also why the UN, while deciding on how to help build up Iraq wanted to absolutely avoid any mention of approving the war in the first place).

However that reason is flimsy, IMO, and I guess to others.

Also your claim that the territory of Serbia was violated doesn't wash

So NATO planes didn't violate Serbian airspace?

I agree with Kosovo, but there is no doubt that it violated international law. There are writings of humanitarian wars (intervention for humanitarian reasons), but they haven't been accepted by most scholars or countries (ie, too easily open for abuse).