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    With Fox News and most of the Republican party blathering on about staying the course and how exit strategies aren't needed it is fun to look back to a time not long ago when these chicken hawks were doves through and through. The hypocracy of the right has never been so clear.

    John Nichols
    John Nichols: GOP doves once cooed exit strategy

    By John Nichols
    September 27, 2005

    It's anti-war quiz time.

    Who made the following statement:

    "I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now."

    Was it:

    A. Cindy Sheehan?

    B. Phil Donahue?

    C. Michael Moore?

    D. A prominent politician who was not afraid to dissent in a time of war?

    Answer: D.

    Defenders of the occupation of Iraq have responded to last weekend's large anti-war demonstrations - which saw tens of thousands of Americans marching and rallying for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from that Mideast nation - with their usual litany of complaint.

    They are again promoting all the deliberate misreads of intelligence and paranoid fantasies that were employed by George Bush in his relentless campaign to win support for the invasion of Iraq. But, above all, they are peddling the lie that since the beginning of this misguided war has been their favorite: tThe suggestion that those who oppose the war are somehow harming the troops.

    A marketing campaign, launched shortly after the war began and continuing to this day, has sought to link support for the men and women serving in this country's military forces with support for even the most foolhardy and dangerous of the president's policies. There are even bumper stickers that declare: "Support President Bush and the Troops."

    But this is just political gamesmanship, nothing more.

    How do we know?

    Because House Majority Leader Tom DeLay tells us so.

    Back in 1999, after President Bill Clinton had ordered U.S. forces to begin a massive bombing campaign and missile strikes against Yugoslavia, the House of Representatives considered a resolution supporting the mission.

    The leading opponent of the resolution was DeLay, who dismissed the notion that opposing the war was in any way an affront to the troops. In a visceral floor statement delivered in March of that year, DeLay declared, "Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly. We must stop giving the appearance that our foreign policy is formulated by the Unabomber."

    As the war progressed, DeLay condemned "(President Clinton's) war," and grumbled in April 1999, "There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the president started this thing, and there still is no plan today."

    To those who dared suggest that such aggressive language might be dispiriting to the troops who were engaged in the mission, DeLay told USA Today, "It's very simple. The president is not supported by the House, and the military is supported by the House."

    DeLay's sentiments were echoed in the Senate by Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., who explained, "My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made, and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."

    DeLay and Lott had allies in the media who were, if anything, even more passionate in their criticism of the war. Anticipating the current comments of Cindy Sheehan and other family members who have lost loved ones in Iraq, they framed their anti-war arguments as a plea to save the lives of U.S. troops who had been put in harm's way as part of a fool's mission.

    Sean Hannity growled into his Fox News microphone about how supporters of the war should be forced to: "Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter had to give up their life." Hannity was an "out now" man: "No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it," he argued.

    Hannity's fellow peacenik, conservative commentator Tony Snow, even went so far as to make quagmire comparisons, suggesting on a March 24, 1999, Fox program: "You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."

    The commander in chief's critics found an ally in a candidate in the 2000 contest to replace Clinton. Sounding a lot like U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., who in August suggested that it was time to set a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, Texas Gov. George W. Bush told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on June 5, 1999: "I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long (U.S. troops) will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."

    What about "stay the course"?

    No way, said Bush the candidate. "Victory means exit strategy," he told the Houston Chronicle on April 9, 1999, "and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

    Critics of anti-war marchers love to dust off the claim that the protesters are merely recycling the slogans of the 1960s. Fair enough. No more "Make Love, Not War." Instead, why not recycle an anti-war slogan from the 1990s? Something catchy, like "Victory means exit strategy." And while they're at it, foes of the Iraq occupation might want to recycle some of the better rhetoric of that decade, like the line: "I cannot support a failed foreign policy."

    Just be sure to credit the prominent politician who was not afraid to dissent in a time of war - even if it meant criticizing the commander in chief: Tom DeLay.

    John Nichols is associate editor of The Capital Times. E-mail: jnichols@madison.com

    Published: 8:05 AM 9/27/05
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  • #2
    Quite a few things in their rethorics used to be perfectly right.
    If only the democrats had any backbone, maybe there could have been somebody important talking like that in 2003.
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    • #3
      Re: When the hawks were doves.

      Originally posted by Oerdin
      The hypocracy of the right has never been so clear.
      As clear as the hypocracy on the left

      Face it... in politics, hypocracy can be found in both parties... but if you want to troll, feel free
      Keep on Civin'
      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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      • #4
        Re: Re: When the hawks were doves.

        Originally posted by Ming


        As clear as the hypocracy on the left

        Face it... in politics, hypocracy can be found in both parties... but if you want to troll, feel free
        Link? Where did the Left or the center suddenly do a 180 on the "protesting the war = hating the troops"?
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        • #5
          They have their own issues for hypocracy... you seem to want the world to believe that hypocracy is only a republican/left thing... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
          Keep on Civin'
          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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          • #6
            I seem to want the world to know about the particular band of slime balls who currently are in power. You know, the ones who we can do something about.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Oerdin
              I seem to want the world to know about the particular band of slim balls who currently are in power. You know, the ones who we can do something about.
              The world already knows your particular biases....

              Not even worth a rating on the troll scale
              Keep on Civin'
              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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              • #8
                Oerdin: What was your opinion of Clinton's decision to intervene in Kosovo?
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Oerdin: What was your opinion of Clinton's decision to intervene in Kosovo?
                  Remember, hypocracy can only be found with republicans/left. The left and democrats have never EVER shown any hypocracy before...



                  I love when people think they are making a bold statement by pointing out hypocracy in politics...

                  Keep on Civin'
                  RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                  • #10
                    It's hypocrisy, dammit.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by loinburger
                      It's hypocrisy, dammit.
                      Thank you
                      Keep on Civin'
                      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by loinburger
                        It's hypocrisy, dammit.
                        Well rule of hypos might be just as bad.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                        • #13
                          Agreed. Inadvertently stick yourself with one of those and who knows what you might contract.
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                          • #14
                            I don´t like Democrates complaining about Iraq when it´s all Clinton´s fault for turning the Balkans into a third-world subcontinent
                            I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

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                            • #15
                              Yes we should all just shut up and quit pointing mistakes made. This way we are polite and will never do it again, because we remember feeling the relief of no one pointing out the mistake.
                              In da butt.
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